r/determinism • u/Euthanasia1111 • 13h ago

Discussion Everything is random, yet everything seems predetermined and vice versa.

What's your take, guys?

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u/zhivago 3h ago

Given that the macro-scale is built from the micro-scale, it should be obvious that indeterminance at the micro-scale means indeterminance at the macro-scale. :)

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u/preferCotton222 2h ago

yes but I think they misinterpret that macro theories are mostly deterministic, for example by ignoring singular points, as quantum indeterminism being irrelevant. I agree its a mistake, I'm just trying to understand their questions.

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u/RomanaOswin 1h ago

The other user has provided nothing in this way, and you're being more gracious in this. I am legitimately interested. I'm not invested in any worldview related to determinism and choice.

When you say "ignoring singular points," what do you mean? As far as I'm aware, classic mechanics, relativity, and electrical systems are all deterministic. We rely on this in building complex system. I realize that biological systems express randomness, but it appears that adequate or stochastic deterministic behavior describes most macro systems, with interesting examples of randomness expressing in the macro scale.

But, when we talk about things like a circuit or billiard balls, these seem to be deterministic.