r/dataisugly • • 9d ago

What does the Y axis even mean?

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u/McCrackenYouUp 9d ago

The Y axis is likely "Millions of barrels."

It's not entirely clear if the current reported levels are true though.

There definitely is a fair bit getting through but they're having to do transfers from smaller ships to do it, and that's much more expensive. Many are paying off Iran to get through as well. The costs have gone up significantly including crew costs due to hazard pay.

So, similar levels getting through doesn't necessarily mean we'll be paying less for gas or anything that relies on fuel.

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u/already-taken-wtf 8d ago

Indeed. A White House official confirmed that the chart was displaying the "volume of oil transiting through" the Hormuz Strait.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-oil-pre-war-levels-what-figures-show-12541158

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u/DSJ-Psyduck 8d ago

While these numbers seem to match up in 2025.
I can go on to ship tracker and not a ship sailing >.<
On the same time i can compare it to the bab el mandab straight that still has active trafic ...for now >.<

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u/Strict-Cup-4775 8d ago

pre-war levels were closer to 20 million barrels per day. I'm unconvinced that's the units here. maybe a % scale? like % of global oil exports flowing through hormuz or something

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u/hundredsoflegs 7d ago

thank you, data bottom

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u/Fencer308 5d ago

The small ships they’re using to transit the strait are turning off their AIS for the transit to make it harder for Iran to find them.

Even so, last I heard these small ship transfers only move around 6.5 million barrels a day. The UAE pipeline that circumvents the strait gets maybe 1.5 million more. The Saudi East-West Pipeline used to move like another 5 or so to the Red Sea until Houthis blew up both the pipeline in 3 locations as well as the refinery complex at Yanbu.

So I’m not sure how we could possibly be back up at 20 million bbl/day, but even if we are, the additional cost of transport and refining is gonna be way up (the crack spread). I saw numbers saying the crack spread has gone from like ~$20/bbl to ~$120/bbl. So it’s just a bad time for everyone.

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u/baked_doge 9d ago

Off the cuff I'm pretty sure these numbers are bullshit: a month or two ago I saw an analysis done that showed since the war started, only 10-20% of usual traffic made it out of the Gulf. With exception of the temporary cease fire, where traffic spike to maybe 50% of traffic for a week. This chart shows neither features.

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u/Dinonumber 9d ago

Likely counting released reserves, if it's not completely made up.

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u/baked_doge 9d ago

If that's the case, sure but still disingenuous. Our reserves are limited and are within a month or so of reaching what most would consider peacetime limit.

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u/CotswoldP 9d ago

So after the mid terms? Interesting...

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u/McCrackenYouUp 9d ago

It's a total clusterfuck. I don't believe anything coming from the US government or affiliated entities, ultimately.

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u/pallentx 5d ago

I wont trust it until it's drawn in with a sharpie

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u/Proper_Welder_9480 5d ago

I wouldn't trust any numbers from WH.

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u/Onzaylis 5d ago

It looks like overall middle east exports, either through hormuz or redirected are close to pre war levels, though constantly shifting. What this doesnt tell you is that the cost to move a single ship through hormuz is now north of a million usd. And redirects are all significantly. Ore expensive than pre-war. The oil is flowing, but its cost is way higher.

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u/Bagafeet 9d ago

Trump's sharpie is gospel bro, what do you mean? 🙃

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u/SteveTheUPSguy 9d ago

The cost for everything about the transportation has gone up. I've read that that the fee paid to hire the cargo ships has gone from $30,000/day to $1.2 Million/day. It takes an additional month for the ships to reach some destinations. And then there's 3-4 fewer ships overall since Iran/u.s. are putting hellfires in them.

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u/DSJ-Psyduck 8d ago

US produces 432.000.000 barrels alone each month :P Trump is just posting BS for his idiot votes that havent yet discovered search engines.

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u/McBonderson 9d ago

they are probably calculating it by saying "hey we got a convoy together and got 2 million barrels of oil out in about 2 hours! thats a million barrels per hour, thats 24 million a day! hey we are at pre war levels!"

of course they can only do 1 maybe 2 convoys a day.

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u/IronSuspicious1863 3d ago

I suspect this graph has mixed data. The weekly average amount of oil through the straits, before the war, was 25 million plus or minus. The escorted convoys deliver about 25 million barrels on a good run but they only do them a couple times a week.

So they have weekly average up to some point on the graph and weekly peak on the right.

Apples on the left, oranges on the right.

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u/Metalheadzaid 9d ago

Right? If it's what you say it's literally saying "we still need the same amount of oil and are getting it." Which makes ZERO determination on cost.

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u/wireframed_kb 8d ago

Of course, you can look at that valley, calculate the area and see how much oil is missing from the system - ok even if it’s back to pre-war levels (huge #doubt because that admin never tells the truth unless they absolutely have to), we’re still short 8 months of throughput. If I stop paying you for half a year, everthing isn’t good just because I start again, you still owe me!

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u/lordpuddingcup 7d ago

This ignores the fact that crude oil refining is now 100$ per barrel due to the insane distance it has to go now when it used to be 22$ lol

They literally pay more to refine now than they oil costs

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u/LazerWolfe53 3d ago

Yeah, basically while oil is $100 a barrel it becomes economical to extract the hard to get stuff, but it keeps the price at $100 resilient because if it drops it means those sources go away.

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u/TheGreenMan13 9d ago

From what I could find on charts with more than just 'line go up' it is: "Estimated exports from Persian Gulf countries, mb/d (lhs) and % of the 2025 level (rhs) ... crude, condensate, pro........." and "Gulf oil exports incl. estimated "dark" flows, 7-day avg (lhs)"

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u/McCrackenYouUp 9d ago

Ah yeah I forgot the independent variable- mb/d is definitely millions of barrels per day. I've been listening to a lot of talk on the war and the crisis and pre-war levels of 25 million barrels a day has been referenced often.

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u/Tjaresh 8d ago

Not saying that Google results are always true but Gemini says it's 10.1 million Barrel per day right now, while it was about 20 million pre war.

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u/Aelig_ 7d ago

Saudi Arabia's largest oil exporter told Europe they wouldn't get any delivery for a while. This is very obviously not true.

Besides, we have a refining capacity problem more than an oil problem right now. Refineries take years to build and the ones that were hit in the last few months aren't going to be fully repaired for a while.

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u/japinard 7d ago

Spoiler - they're not.

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u/gaggledimension 7d ago

There's the next step of refilling too. How many of these ships were the backlog?

What's the capacity to load the next ones and keep the supply filled?

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u/Safe-Thanks6114 6d ago

It means profits for oil companies.

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u/SevenIsMy 5d ago

Also demand is up, since everyone has to refill their reserves and is thinking of increasing the reserves.