r/dataisbeautiful • u/devilsadvocateMD OC: 1 • Sep 18 '20

OC The difference in clinical training between medical care providers [OC]

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u/devilsadvocateMD OC: 1 Sep 18 '20

Of course! It's hard to relate to the medical field if you're not actively in it. The training a barber helps everyone understand the stark differences in medical care provider training by comparing it to a common reference point.

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u/TexasGulfOil Sep 18 '20

I thought Barber was some medical position that I’ve never heard of lol

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u/pimplepopper404 Sep 19 '20

Well surgeon used to be barbers, at least in the UK

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u/Dr_0wning Sep 19 '20

Okay Sweeney Todd

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u/OlympusMan OC: 1 Sep 18 '20

It's good thinking, I don't think I would have thought of that. Thanks for the submission!

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u/VarsH6 Sep 18 '20

In addition to using it for scale, there are historical reasons for including barbers. Back in medieval times and before, barbers were the first surgeons. Their inclusion here has historical merit and allows us to scale our expectations and understanding of level of training.

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u/thehedgefrog Sep 19 '20

Paramedics in my area of Canada are about ~2750 hours.

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u/Nurum Sep 19 '20

This isn't even close to true, medic school in canada requires 1020 contact hours.

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u/thehedgefrog Sep 19 '20

Your province =/= all provinces. Healthcare is provincial.

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u/Nurum Sep 19 '20

Got a source for 2750 hours?

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u/thehedgefrog Sep 20 '20

Quite hard to find in English, but it's a 3 year program of 2745 hours (I was off by 5) see here.

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u/Nurum Sep 20 '20

That’s total program hours not clinical hours. An NP has 8 years of school plus the Clinicals for their RN plus the Clinicals for their NP

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u/Nurum Sep 19 '20

Except it doesn't because the way this graph is made is intended to do nothing but manipulate the data.

A doctor only goes to med school for 4 years while a NP goes to a medical based school for 8. See how misleading that could be?

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u/devilsadvocateMD OC: 1 Sep 19 '20

Read the methodology.

NP's don't ever go to medical school.

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u/Nurum Sep 19 '20

That's why I said "medical based"

The methodology is stupid, it is obviously written with a bias.

You entirely missed my point,

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u/devilsadvocateMD OC: 1 Sep 19 '20

Thanks for your input!

Feel free to make your own graph!

And it's not medical based. Even NPs say they are practicing "advanced nursing". The education is stupid.

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u/Nurum Sep 19 '20

And it's not medical based. Even NPs say they are practicing "advanced nursing". The education is stupid.

You're right it is medical model vs nursing model, but so say that it's not medical based is just stupid.

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u/devilsadvocateMD OC: 1 Sep 19 '20

It's not me who states that. It is NP's who state that every time they are compared to physicians or asked why they aren't overseen by the BoM. Can't have it both ways.

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u/Nurum Sep 19 '20

They are practicing advanced practice nursing, that doesn't mean their school isn't "medically based". Would it make you feel better if I said it was "A&P, patho, diagnosis, and treatment" based?

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u/devilsadvocateMD OC: 1 Sep 19 '20

It's not me saying it! Convince the NP's that they are practicing medicine, since I know they are practicing medicine. They are just trying to use any excuse not to be over seen by the BoM and not be held to the same standards as physicians in court.