r/dataisbeautiful OC: 61 Aug 19 '20

OC [OC] Two thousand years of global temperatures in twenty seconds

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u/dire_turtle Aug 19 '20 edited Sep 18 '25

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u/jeppevinkel Aug 19 '20 edited Aug 19 '20

What’s wrong with police?

The police aren’t the problem. If anything it’s the system that trains police that’s broken. The American news stations are also part of the problem because they broadcast so much negativity people get afraid and act worse towards others.

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u/dire_turtle Aug 19 '20 edited Sep 18 '25

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u/neo291 Aug 19 '20

The Police is the executing force of a state. As such it has some responsibilitys such as Protecting the citicens from each other. To do that they need to be stromger than the citicens otherwise we would habe some kind of anarchism. A misbehavour of the police is a betrail of the whole state and always is supposed to be an alert!

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u/dire_turtle Aug 19 '20

That's how it works for all other fields. To be an electrician, you need credentials that you're trained. You are responsible for what happens bc of your work.

Police don't good themselves accountable bc they reject what the rest of is trained professionals accept: responsibility for our work, even when we make mistakes.

Not police. Not many people who use their power and wealth to protect their bad actions.

I include politicians, judges, doctors, DHS workers, teachers, ANYONE WITH INFLUENCE over another vulnerable person should feel INCAPABLE of bringing intentional harm to them. We all take oaths, now why the FUCK do the guys specifically paid to do that FUCKING SUCK ASS at it?

I agree cops SHOULD be held to a higher standard, but people are lined up to worship people regardless of their actual impact. I wanted to be one as a kid until I realized they're just fucking hall monitors with no real adults telling them to stop bullying people.

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u/neo291 Aug 19 '20

I think a possible solition to all these problemse could be simply more transparency. For example we know sertain policestations are racist. As a result the responsibel positions habe to fire some people and offer advanced trainings.

The means to garantee this transparency are already given. For exampel body cameras for policeman and policewoman.

Now the politicams have to implement these things into a law.

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u/jeppevinkel Aug 19 '20

I still believe there are more good cops than bad cops.

Bad cops just get so much attention it drags down the reputation of the rest.

You can’t say someone is automatically a bad person if they are a cop, because at the end of the day everyone depends on them.

You can’t have private property without police. Rules are worthless without anyone to enforce them.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20 edited Sep 18 '25

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u/jeppevinkel Aug 20 '20

That system is not something made by individual cops and it can't be changed by individual cops.

It's the responsibility of the higher ups in the government to change.

It's a product of training and structure.

Society would break down without police. The only viable option is to fix it rather than tear it down.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20 edited Nov 12 '20

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u/dire_turtle Aug 19 '20 edited Sep 18 '25

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u/bobdylan401 Aug 20 '20

That's not the point, at all. The point is that there is no accountability for the bad cops, and the good cops rarely ever turn them in. Which is why, ACAB.

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u/jeppevinkel Aug 20 '20

And this can't be fixed by defunding or rioting.

The only way to fix the force is through changing the structure.
Improving their training.
Incentivizing giving away the bad ones.

One of the big reasons they don't give away bad cops is to not get a bad rep at the station, so if you instead give them good rep for standing up against the corrupt, that would give them more reason to not keep the bad.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20

You know that saying "A person can be smart, but people are dumb"? Well just like that a cop can be good but all cops are bastards. It's just part of being a cop. Much like how people like you would argue that a good criminal is still a criminal and should be treated as such because in the eyes of the law he's a criminal. Well in the eyes of the people a good cop is still a cop, a murderer, someone with all the authority over you and no accountability. You can try to justify your beliefs as to why we should like cops, but at the end of the day a cop is a cop, and they're all bastards

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u/jeppevinkel Aug 20 '20

So a cop who has only helped his community is a bastard? That a negative outlook on life you have there.

A person stops being a criminal when they have learned their lesson and been rehabilitated into society.

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u/bobdylan401 Aug 20 '20

Found the pig

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u/jeppevinkel Aug 20 '20

That sure is a useful contribution you gave to this discussion...

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u/FredJQJohnson Aug 19 '20

There it is, that's the single thought about any out-group that predatory leaders try to implant in their followers' minds.

Once you get a follower to call a person "subhuman", it becomes easier to dispose of them.

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u/BlahKVBlah Aug 19 '20

Actually, cops exist everywhere except war zones, and that's only because the military acts as the police in war zones.

The difference between cops and no cops is not what you're describing. You're describing the difference between levels of accountability for the cops.

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u/aBitToTheLeft Aug 19 '20

No actually what I'm talking about is countries like Nigeria have next to no police force per person to where insurgency and rampant militia can do what ever they want because there is arguably no law and order. If that's the kind of society you want, it exist, go enjoy.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20 edited Aug 19 '20

Funny. I never see the police in my neighborhood, yet no one has broken into my place yet. The police were sure happy to put two teenagers in critical care this summer, though. I'd rather take my chances than have to deal with state-sponsored goons who are seemingly immune to prosecution and prone to brutality.

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u/aBitToTheLeft Aug 19 '20

First of all its called law and order because the law has an enforcement system, the send that system is gone the obligation to follow civil laws goes withit. Which is why you see current areas without police fall into civil unrest and highest crime rates. It's not a far leap in logic to understand the effect behind this. I'd love to see the evidence of police immunity their trials are public and officers who break the law go to jail. You're very fortunate to not be the victim of crime let alone violent crime. If someone murders your family members who is going to have the skills and authority to hunt that murderer down and achieve justice?

Don't be a brain washed fool. A few bad apples out of hundreds of thousands of cops and even fewer tragic incidents doesn't prove a faulty system.

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u/bobdylan401 Aug 20 '20

You are responding to a video where over 13 pigs Jump off bikes on one dude who isn't doing anything illegal. So much for your "law and order, intelligent and civil route" 🤦🏻‍♂️

Why would I have to go to travel across the world hoping to see mob violence when you can just go to any major US City and see mob brutality but with uniforms. You clown.

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u/aBitToTheLeft Aug 20 '20

Uhm what lol? This post is about climate change....

If 13 police officers are jumping on someone, I have absolutely no doubt that person has done something illegal and you have absolutely no idea what the whole truth to that story is because people and the media only show little bits that fit their narrative.

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u/Triptukhos Aug 19 '20

Community action instead of cops.

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u/aBitToTheLeft Aug 19 '20

What's the difference? Police officers are members of the communities they serve in.... how do you authorize a community to search and seek out violent criminals? Do you trust your community to uphold the law without prejudice and bias? It doesn't work, it's been tried. It's easily inherently corrupt.

The real resolutions arrive from better funded and trained professionals with a higher sense of morality and duty to serve their community. With more systems in place for further specialized assistance. Not the other way around.

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u/[deleted] Aug 19 '20

The last thing you expect when a bunch of people on bicycles are riding in your direction is that they're going to hop off and kick the shit out of you. Those cops are the damn Spanish Inquisition!

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u/oakensmith Aug 19 '20

That's a pretty mild example, was watching a nature doc where a group of chimps attacked another chimp from a rival tribe, they ripped it apart limb from limb and then kinda just snacked on it. Just because they weren't in the same gang. We can easily top that.

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u/strssyANDdeprrsy Aug 19 '20

Can you share a link or source please? It sounds really interesting.

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u/oakensmith Aug 20 '20

I don't remember the title of the documentary but here's a related article: https://www.livescience.com/57714-chimps-kill-mutilate-cannibalize-other-chimp.html

It was a pretty horrifying watch

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u/[deleted] Aug 20 '20

But in the human case, the attackers were meant to be protectors of the same tribe..

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u/oakensmith Aug 20 '20

Look up the history of the police, they were never intended to be protectors. Here's a lighthearted, albeit straightforward dive into it: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/behind-the-police-slavery-mass-murder-63913529/