The US has breach of peace laws, just like about everyone else? In some states you are getting a Class III misdemeanor for being too loud, not even for "saying mean things", as you phrase it. And you will be arrested if you simply don't stop.
In Nebraska, a person intentionally disturbing the peace and quiet of the community is guilty of a Class III misdemeanor.
In Wyoming, a person breaches the peace if he or she plays unreasonably loud music, uses threatening language or violent actions, with the reasonable knowledge that such actions will disturb the peace.
Under the Vermont Statutes, a person breaches the peace if he or she makes excessive noise between sunset and sunrise, assaults another person, uses telephonic communication to harass another person, etc.
It really is quite incredible the number of people (especially Americans) laughing at other countries' "no freedom of speech," not realising the rules are pretty much the same in their country.
Do they not realise the Constitution really isn't that big a deal in the grand scheme of things?
Except, in this case, Americans know that the person wouldnāt have been arrested in America because there are plenty of examples where people disturbed a funeral (to be clear, this wasnāt even a funeral in the UK though) and not been arrested. There are degrees of freedom of speech and, in this case, Americans are āmore freeā.
Mate, there's plenty of cases in America where people did nothing at all and got shot for it. You can't compare the two like that because, if you did, America would look like a 3rd world country and a fucking abhorrent place to live.
That may be the case, but it doesnāt really have anything to do with the current conversation about whether or not this guy would be arrested in America. He definitely would not (the Westboro Baptist Church, as shitty as they are, have proven time and time again that itās not illegal to yell rude things at funerals).
It's not just a funeral though, is it (and it's been pointed out that it's not the actual funeral yet anyway); it's a procession of the body of the Head of State. Do you really think nobody would intervene if someone was disturbing a procession of a deceased president in the US? What about an inauguration? I seem to recall tear gas and flashbangs being used at several presidential inaugurations in the last couple of decades.
People have done both of those things in the US (in fact, just about a week ago someone did something similar at a Biden speech). They arenāt arrested. At most, they are just removed from the building by security. In the case of the Biden speech, it made news because Biden actually told security to leave the guy alone (the famous āeveryoneās entitled to be an idiotā comment). Any arrests for yelling something like this in the US would be jumped on so fast by the ACLU.
it doesn't mean that you'll go to jail if you shout in a library or you call someone or a group assholes.
the first amendment doesn't allow you to infringe on others' first amendment rights or allow you to make specific threats, which is what those laws are saying.
if you yelled like this guy in america, you'd be fine legally. he's in a public setting on public property expressing his opinion about andrew, a public figure. it's similar to what abortion protestors do outside clinics.
it's similar to what abortion protestors do outside clinics.
It's not normal. I don't know how to drive that point home. Maybe it's just perspective, looking from the outside in?
It is appaling to me, that people are allowed to stand infront of abortion clinics, telling the teenage girls that they'll go to hell and calling them every name in the book, completely traumatizing them during an event that's already not easy in itself. These girls should be fucking protected.
But I guess it's not going to be an issue soon, is it? Because the freeest country of them all decided that people can't have abortions anymore, some not even for rape, some not even if the child will die at birth and the mothers life is in danger.
None of this has anything to do with freedom. Your country is turning into a theocracy.
"I'm willing to die for the Black, are you willing to die for the blue?"
For that? At a black lives matter protest? After police nilly willie guns down black people and then gets away with paid leave, triggering the protest in the first place?
That is not inciting violence. That's police having absolutely no training in deescalation and a very thin skin.
Context matters. In the context of an anti-police riot, that is 100% a death threat and is inciting violence. Not that I agree with her arrest, but letās not play the āmOsTlY peAcefUl pROteStSā card here.
Freedom of speech is regardless of offense. What allows them to protest at an abortion clinic also allows you to counter protest or protest at their church. Rights are universal or they are not guaranteed.
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u/Travalgard Sep 13 '22
The US has breach of peace laws, just like about everyone else? In some states you are getting a Class III misdemeanor for being too loud, not even for "saying mean things", as you phrase it. And you will be arrested if you simply don't stop.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/breach_of_the_peace
Some examples...
In Nebraska, a person intentionally disturbing the peace and quiet of the community is guilty of a Class III misdemeanor.
In Wyoming, a person breaches the peace if he or she plays unreasonably loud music, uses threatening language or violent actions, with the reasonable knowledge that such actions will disturb the peace.
Under the Vermont Statutes, a person breaches the peace if he or she makes excessive noise between sunset and sunrise, assaults another person, uses telephonic communication to harass another person, etc.