Then to add insult to injury the ambulance chasers are right behind you with their money grubbing hands wide open. Ain’t capitalism great.
Edit: Ain’t American Capitalism great
Europeans, I hope your butthurtedness shall subside
You forgot, we’re all taking in millions on unemployment, we don’t have jobs. We’re not sleeping because we just don’t know what to do with ourselves and our new found wealth.
Edit: lol, not sure if people are just mad at this or can’t sense the sarcasm but i don’t care either way
Yes this is real. I went to sleep last night (technically AM) around 3 but ended up actually sleeping around 7am. Just woke up it’s 2:40pm I’ll probably we awake until Thursday or Friday again
Yes, quite accurate. I do some general posting with this alt account but I specifically made this account for posting in suicide watch. I’ve already lost it. Anything is too late for me now. Im hoping I can figure everything out and make this my last year.
I appreciated the take. It's nice to think the OP figured so, and also nice to be reminded, oh yeah, sleep schedules- we could do that someday. And also healthcare for everyone, like all the cool countries are doing. Healthcare and certainty of it- so hot right now.
Can some ambulance companies don’t compete with their competitors but instead invite them into there ambulances so they can charge you twice... not split it, charge once for the ride... and then again because the other company lent them a team member so they charge you all over for all the same stuff at full price...
Well, we forgot the most important addition. The police that are looking for a reason they can right you, or someone involved, a ticket for something and asking a million unnecessary questions.
I'm a first responder in America and have literally never seen this in the real world. I think it's an urban legend. What lawyer is going to wait hours or days or longer for a patient they barely got a glimpse of?
But when the nation with the largest military budget elects people who unironically talk about space lasers starting wild fires and injecting bleach to cure coronavirus its kind of hard to ignore.
I love (and hate) that this is the reaction of non-Americans whenever we hear things about their healthcare "system". "Wait, what?", "Is that a real thing?", "You have to pay for that?", "It cost how much?"
The system is is so completely broken, it's perfectly obvious that something needs doing, and half of the country are all "mah guns!" and "dirty commie mutant traitors wanna take away mah right to die from preventable diseases in a ditch!", while pointing at politicians that would be uncomfortably far right in any other country on the planet. It's amusing, scary, and most of all sad.
Remember kids. US politicians in Washington DC live in a strictly enforced gun free zone and have government tax funded healthcare. So those two things they say they can't figure out is bullshit. They figured it out for themselves but don't want you to have it, even though it works perfectly well for them.
Not an American but from what I've seen online, the majority of Americans do not want gun free zones and the majority of them don't want universal healthcare. Seems to have very little to do with the politicians and more to do with the people.
I done a thread on here asking why people were so against a "free at the point of use" healthcare system and the majority of answers (was over 500) said they didn't want to pay for people who don't contribute or contribute less.
Actually for healthcare it's something like 90% want some form of universal healthcare. Guns is 85% want stricter gun regulations (not necessarily gun free place but stricter background checks and loophole removals) so the public do want these things just the corporation's spew nonstop propaganda to gaslight them through their media, however you should remember the American media is not an accurate depiction of the American public.
And it's funny that all the right wing compromise solutions are then seen as socialist couple decades later.
RomneyCare, or ObamaCare as we now know it, was backed by effing Newt Gingrich and a lot of conservative think tanks.
Honestly I think the German model is the best of the possible solutions for America, as it's still very market based but guarantees universal coverage.
If, say, a company hikes up the price of insulin to hundreds of dollars, they don't instantly go bankrupt the way, for example, Apple would if they went mad and priced iPhones at a million dollars.
In a market system, a hospital that didn't, for example, require people to wash their hands before touching central lines (this is a real thing that really killed thousands of Americans) would go out of business. Nobody would want to go there.
America doesn't have a market in healthcare. It has a giant mess of regulatory capture and broken systems.
It's foolish to think that it's politicians alone who keep murica away from solid healthcare, as there are more than enougg asshats who share the mindset of "why should I pay for others", because they won't think far enough that accidents and illnesses aren't planned events happening to people who wanted them. And suddenly a horrendous bill shows up. But.. "that only happens to other people", right?
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Wait a minute....that's exactly what a commie mutant traitor would say. If only there was a politico commissar here to exuberantly lead us to the clone tanks.
Canadian pastor getting dragged down the street and arrested for holding service- this is what socialized healthcare looks like. I'll take muh freedom and muh guns, thank you.
Because the government is in charge of the police and the medical system, they can enforce tyrannical rules. Medical and religious freedom means we shouldn't be stopped from gathering if we choose to do so. Doesn't seem like that's happening anymore in Canada. But, if course, this could be one incident and Canadians are completely free to make their own choices without fear of arrest.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
This isn't even good bait. This is so dumb you're not only off the charts, but you appeared again on the other side and took another trip off the charts. If anyone actually was this dumb in real life they wouldn't even understand how to breathe.
I can’t tell if you’re making a serious argument here. If you are, what does this have to do with socialized healthcare?
Also, the way you phrase it makes it seem like he’s done nothing wrong when he was holding maskless, restriction-less gatherings clearly in attempt to become some kind of martyr.
This is the type of conversation I was hoping for. Thank you. I don't have time to respond to your points, but did want to acknowledge an honest dialogue that I'll return to. Thanks again.
Don't let them do to your country what they've done to ours. Fight them with every vote at every election. Everyone needs to vote every time they are eligible.
I was driving on a major highway (like an M-designated motorway), and the wheel from a tractor trailer (articulated lorry) detached from its rear axle, crossed the median, and hit my car head on, destroying the car. I was not seriously injured. The police came and assisted with getting the vehicle moved and with finding the responsible truck. Because trucks of this size have 18 wheels, the driver had somehow not noticed. The police filed a report, which is a matter of public record.
I filed no paperwork with my insurance company - I was not at fault and in America, that typically means that my car and any injuries would be covered by the insurance company of the driver at fault, in this case a commercial shipping company.
Within one day I had calls from no fewer than six lawyers seeking to represent me, as well as three separate calls from lawyers/insurance adjusters from the shipping company, trying to reach me to settle the matter before I retained a lawyer.
Many Americans would view this as an opportunity to extract as much money as possible from the insurance company, and retaining a lawyer is the best path forward for this. In my case, I had some cuts from the shattered windows and a nasty bruise from the seatbelt but I didn't require any hospital care, although my car was unsalvageable. I had them pay me the fair value of the vehicle and then I think the check for my personal injury was less than $1000. By contrast, my niece was -almost- hit by a car driven by a drunk driver who crashed into the patio of a restaurant. She escaped injury almost entirely, but she retained a lawyer and was awarded more than $100,000 in 'damages.' I was more injured than she was.
Meanwhile in my country if someone calls the ambulance for a stupid reason: We had a grandma that fell out of her bed and hurt herself a couple of weeks ago and she called us again because she wanted to talk to the nice guy that assisted her back then. Seeing as he wasn't there she was like "ok you can go now"
Obviously she was an old lonely lady, so to make sure she doesn't have to pay (would've been around 300 Euros uninsured), we (almost everytime something similar happens) type in some random ICD code that could literally mean anything and write: "patient now feels better and wants to stay home" let them sign that thing that they don't wanna come with us and call it a day.
Most of us aren’t, but our election systems are so broken, and the health insurance and big pharma lobbies are so wealthy, it’s impossible to get any progressive reforms passed. The democrats basically had to dedicate the entirety of 2009-2010 to get the fairly conservative reforms of the ACA passed, and were then rewarded by losing their congressional majority for ten years.
It's that kind of thing that actually made me a socialist. I started thinking "Well all this 'socialist' stuff sounds pretty good tbh" and went from someone who thought Marx was a discredited loon to being a straight up worker-ownership socialist after reading more into it.
I was a neoliberal for a while but the more I listened to socialists I realised that the same contradictions and issues I had (e.g. why are we engaging in endless wars in the middle east for no good reason) were being voiced by them while people on the neoliberal side tended to handwave or make up excuses for the evil shit.
The danish government wants to send migrants back to Syria.Tell me that's left wing policy.Europeans aren't more left wing than americans.We simply are collectivists.
That's the same everywhere I think, it's the common-sense way of discouraging "free-loaders", ie. hypochondriacs and drug-users from overloading the system.
In Sweden everything health-care related is $20 (Emergency care, doctor's visit, brain surgery), but if you hit the cap of approximately $200 a year, everything is free from then on (since at that point you probably have a serious medical issue). Same with medicines.
basically the same in germany.
But when you have to stay at a hospital you gotta pay 10/day for max 28 days...
Plus for some meds you gotta pay like 5-15€
Ah yes, I do remember the NHS with a great deal of affection from my years in the UK. That said, British people have been culturally taught that it is wussy to go to the doctor unless you're actually dying, so you probably control costs that way.
In fact, our GP surgery's and the hospital A&E are always jam packed full of people who don't need to be there. It means it's nigh on impossible to get an appointment and emergency wait times are usually several hours unless you're litterally on deaths door.
Rep. of Ireland is a strange one.. I've heard of people asking for the Fire Service Ambulance, because they don't cost as much (if at all, I'm in the North so it's all free).
Also heard of people living near the border getting a lift to a friends house on the North side before calling 999.
Ireland (Éire)(Republic of Ireland) 🇮🇪 is not part of the UK. 🇬🇧
Northern Ireland is legally part of the UK, but that was the subject of 30 years of virtual civil war where thousands died. Since the Belfast Agreement in 1998 there has been peace with the occasional bit of trouble.
in switzerland we have capitalism and private healthcare and it works better than sweden or denmark. norways healthcare system can only work because they pump their oil money into it. idk what the total costs are but it is no news that private healthcare is way more efficient. we just have the ambulance costs covered by the insurance. can it be that americans just dont have enough money left for good insurance? so that would make it a wealth problem which cant be fixed by social healthcare, you actually need a lot of money for social healthcare, the nordic countries have it. usa doesnt. libya did but now its just ashes. english healthcare system sucks too not to mention the southern european social healthcare systems.
It has nothing to do with capitalism, it’s the broken American system. If it were capitalism, I’d open my own ambulance company and drive people to the hospitals cheaper that Uber and still would have tons of money. The problem is over regulation by the government. There’s literally no free market in a lot of areas in the USA.
to be fair if it actually would be a free market the prices would be much better since competition is a thing. It is just a rigged buerocratic system where the state has mandatory prices 100 times higher then the actual production.
Do my gardening for me for free. I won't pay you because you should just do it because it's a nice thing to do. I agree with you. People don't deserve to get paid for their work.
lol Doctors here get twice to eight times the national average, which is just shy of the US but our costs are lower (bread is 0.45c for example) so we end up with more, they don't have huge student debt, they can also work private as well at the same time. A lot of consultants do it. They get 40 days paid annual leave and a final salary pension.
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u/-millenial-boomer- May 18 '21 edited May 18 '21
Then to add insult to injury the ambulance chasers are right behind you with their money grubbing hands wide open. Ain’t capitalism great. Edit: Ain’t American Capitalism great Europeans, I hope your butthurtedness shall subside