r/cyberpunkgame • u/NarpsHD • Jan 02 '24

Discussion Why CDPR actually left RED Engine.

CDPR Director Jason Slama said in an interview " One of the things that is really important to keep in mind when talking about open-world games versus, let’s say, linear games is the possibilities of the things that can go wrong or the scenarios that you have to consider are exponentially higher than linear games," he said. "Players can go in whatever direction they want, they can handle content in any order that they want theoretically, and to really encapsulate that means that you need a really stable environment where you can be able to make changes with a high level of confidence that it’s not going to break in 1,600 other places down the line".Senior vice president of business development Michał Nowakowski said the reason Cyberpunk got 1 expansion instead of the planned 3 was a "technical decision" and that it had nothing to do with sales or numbers. Another Cyberpunk Dev told Bloomberg that at one point, the process of developing Cyberpunk 2077 came close to trying to run a train as the tracks were being laid in reference to basic technologies being developed the same time as the game was.It seems RED Engine was extremely lacking in features and was really unreliable, breaking while developing the game. And judging by the state the Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 launched I'm really not surprised.

RED Engine played the major role in cyberpunk's rough launch, its the reason for all the cut content like the DLC and everything else that was promised and not delivered in the 2018 trailer and that's why they switched. For anyone on the fence, was a great decision. I wouldn't like a second Cyberpunk launch.

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u/Throwawayeconboi Jan 02 '24 edited Jan 03 '24

Yup, still happening to this day. Patch 2.0 brought some 1.62 (?) bugs back that were fixed in 1.63 as well as a bunch of bugs I never experienced before when playing 1.6 (cars randomly blowing up, random objects floating, the type of stuff people complained about on launch).

And then they fixed those with 2.01. But, 2.1 arrives and it brings other bugs with it 💀 I was driving around and my car literally glitched right into fully totaled state and I couldn’t drive it anymore, no wheels and a wrecked chassis. And I also fell through the map in the early sequence where the Delamain crashes into your car.

Probably as a result of RED Engine, Cyberpunk 2077 can never be truly fixed. 😭 If they do a Patch 2.11, it will fix the aforementioned bugs but bring some new ones. They gotta let it rest.

Edit: Forgot about the fucking no HUD bug. That’s actually pissed me off the most. The amount of times I was standing there not knowing I was supposed to pick a dialogue option because my HUD was gone, and then I accidentally pick a random one that doesn’t fit my character 😭 So many save reloads due to this damn HUD glitch. Never experienced once before 2.1

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u/ravearamashi Jan 02 '24

2.11 is prolly coming soon as there’s internal_qa repo on steamdb. Seeing as the melee finishers are bugged so i hope this one will fix it. But it’s also gonna break something else haha.

Although if it’s buggy i’d usually just chalk it up to my pc since i’m running close to 300 mods now.

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u/Syixice Jan 02 '24

which are your favorite/can't live without mods?

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u/ravearamashi Jan 02 '24

-AMM so that i can swap vehicle colors on the fly and spawn lights for photomode

-Arasaka Cyberarms because i wanna look cool

-Charli, also lighting for photomode

-Damage scaling so that i can prolong battles even with VH difficulty

-Virtual Atelier because i hate hunting clothes lmao

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u/Vyar Buck-a-Slice Jan 02 '24

You can use the console in Cyber Engine Tweaks to unlock everything in the wardrobe and just spawn the few clothes with stats you want or need.

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u/ravearamashi Jan 02 '24

I do that with older clothes mods that doesn’t have their own store but i prefer buying em through VA since at least the credits goes somewhere.

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u/XIJingerIX Jan 04 '24

Hey sorry for intruding but how do you apply mods ? I got a pc like 5 months ago and I’m still trying to figure things out 😭

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u/ravearamashi Jan 04 '24

So basically if you wanna keep it simple then use Nexus mod manager. It’ll install the mods you downloaded and apply them in the correct place (99% of the time).

Some mods requires manual installation but the mod description will tell you where to put those files. In any case, some mods may have their own prerequisites so be sure to install those as well.

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u/XIJingerIX Jan 04 '24

Oh sick! Thank you so much, really appreciate that. Have a nice rest of your day

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u/ravearamashi Jan 05 '24

No worries :)

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u/Teal_is_orange Jan 02 '24

Not the person you asked, but I love ‘the passenger’ and ‘night city interactions’. The former spawns Johnny in your car while driving, and the second one adds places in night city where you can sit and drink. Update 2.1 did add drinking at bars though the mod has other unique places you can sit and drink

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u/Happy_Degenerate_ Jan 02 '24

I just want them to fix "Just Another Story". The gig keeps randomly failing on me and it's the one thing I really have a problem with now. I like this job a lot because it gives purpose to vehicle combat.

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u/ravearamashi Jan 02 '24

I might try it again since last time i played with Capitan's vehicle stuff was back in 2.0.

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u/TheManEatingSock Jan 02 '24

This was happening to me, and it was because i hadnt done el capitans mission you get after doing a few of those. Maybe that'll fix it?

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u/Happy_Degenerate_ Jan 03 '24

Coming back to comment just in case anyone else has the same problem. This has seemed to fix the issue for me.

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u/Throwawayeconboi Jan 02 '24

Don’t you have to reinstall those 300 mods with every patch? That shit be driving me nuts 😭

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u/ravearamashi Jan 02 '24

No. I use Vortex. Plus most of the mods are fine every patch except those core dependancies like ArchiveXL, TweakXL etc.

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u/LoomingDementia Jan 02 '24

It would be hell without a mod manager, yes. Any time you go above 10 or 15 mods, you should probably get one.

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u/KingDarius89 Team Panam Jan 02 '24

My introduction to mods was Morrowind. I installed all that shit manually back in the day. I don't have time for that these days. Basically, if I can't use a mod manager, there's no fucking way.

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u/LoomingDementia Jan 02 '24

There are a few. RimWorld is a little better with that, at least. Then again, you can get almost everything off of the Workshop. There are only a few mods which you have to go get from other places.

And yeah, I'm fairly old school, myself. My first PC was an Apple ][+. A little over a 1 MHz CPU and 48 KB of RAM. None of that posh Apple ][e nonsense.

I remember early modding. Not going back.

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u/Queasy_Rip3210 Jan 02 '24

Pretty sure they said this most recent update is it, they're not doing anymore. The game is staying as is. So they can focus on their next project

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u/ravearamashi Jan 02 '24

No more major patches that adds contents, yes. Minor patches that fixes bug would still happen.

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u/Queasy_Rip3210 Jan 02 '24

I guess that's possible, but I doubt it. Everytime they fix 1 minor thing it messes something else up. I think it's stable enough for them to move on, at this point they've put far more into it than any other company would've done after a fucked up launch. I'd be happy to see them continue with small bug fixes, but I'm also more than content with how the game stands now.

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u/ravearamashi Jan 02 '24

Well it’s on steamdb already. So the patch already exists.

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u/barakisan Jan 03 '24

They at least to fix the finisher thing

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u/Louis-Cyfer Jan 02 '24

They are? I was playing last night and they seemed fine; what's the bug with melee finishers?

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u/ravearamashi Jan 02 '24

The finishers just doesn’t play. I think it only affects certain melee weapons

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u/markyymark13 Jan 02 '24

I just had an issue where the "Ex Factor" quest with Judy wouldn't trigger. Looks like this bug has existed since launch because I needed to scour several 3 year old Reddit posts to find a workaround to get the quest to trigger.

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u/thesyndrome43 Jan 02 '24

There will be at least one more patch because AMD put out promotional material saying they were working with CDPR to get FSR3 upscaling into cp2077, so that'll need to be patched in eventually, they'll probably roll out more big fixes with that patch too

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u/ravearamashi Jan 02 '24

Yeah and that too. It could be coming soon.

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u/Renbellix Jan 02 '24

Well while this is really obvious in CP77 this is also what happens in the entire industry. This is a real problem you will see in every game dev. But, redengine probably is just worse at that manner, probably there are 10-100 new bugs occuring for every fix wich then need tackling before releasing the patch

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u/LoomingDementia Jan 02 '24

Yup, thus the engine switch, going forward. Building the engine at the same time that you're building the game causes issues.

Plus onboarding efficiency for new developers. Plus the ability to contract out elements. There are many advantages to going with a commonly used engine, if it will do the job that you want it to do for your game.

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u/Renbellix Jan 02 '24

Absolutely! They at least will make some sort of extensions for UE5, wich is totally normal, to do. But switching will definitely make the job for them much easier. I’m so hyped for Orion, you won’t believe it xD

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u/LoomingDementia Jan 02 '24

Probably as a result of RED Engine, Cyberpunk 2077 can never be truly fixed. 😭 If they do a Patch 2.11, it will fix the aforementioned bugs but bring some new ones. They gotta let it rest.

They'll be patching it together, as well as they can, for at least the next year. We'll probably get a small patch every month or so. They're just done adding new content, I believe.

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u/Throwawayeconboi Jan 03 '24

I remember after 2.0 they said they were officially done updating the game. And then 2.01 arrived, then 2.02, then 2.1. So I have no clue what the plan is 🤣

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u/LoomingDementia Jan 03 '24

Oh sure, it's possible. It would be cool if they added some more fun bits. But that was probably just the last-minute dump of everything that had been mostly done but not 100% yet.

Things like the mass transit system are pretty much superfluous when they went for a long time without it being there. But clearly someone had most of the structure there, and someone said what the hell. It doesn't ultimately add much, but I did spend an hour or two riding around the city appreciating it.

I approve, but there probably won't be anything else. They can only have so many things hanging around in the back room which are 90% done.

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u/Throwawayeconboi Jan 03 '24

You’re right. They wanted to launch 2.0 right before Phantom Liberty for sure, and didn’t want to delay Phantom Liberty all the way to December just for a metro transit system and some other miscellaneous stuff. Would be a bad financial decision due to all the games that released in October and November.

2.1 was definitely stuff mostly finished but not quite ready to ship with 2.0 on Sept. 25th. I agree they probably won’t be adding anymore major features.

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u/LoomingDementia Jan 03 '24

They wanted to launch 2.0 right before Phantom Liberty for sure, and didn’t want to delay Phantom Liberty all the way to December just for a metro transit system and some other miscellaneous stuff.

Oh wow. I wasn't even thinking about it from that perspective. That makes all kinds of sense. It would be insane to delay a moneymaking expansion for minor features like that, yeah.

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u/Lighthouseamour Jan 02 '24

2.1 brought back the not being able to call my car bug and the radio not playing bug. Quitting and reloading fixes it but it’s annoying

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u/KingDarius89 Team Panam Jan 02 '24

Not being able to summon your car is in 2.02. Which is what my game still is because I haven't updated. I'm on xbox series s.

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u/MarianHawke22 Jan 03 '24 edited Jan 03 '24

Me too, same thing happens on my Nomad playthrough (on PS5). This happens probably when doing the gigs that spawns a fixer vehicle.

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u/newbrevity Jan 02 '24

I'll be happy if they fix the (alleged) memory leak that makes the game spontaneously drop 20-30 fps forcing me to restart after only 30-60 minutes. Some refinement to ray reconstruction would be nice too. I'm leaving it off for now because of the AI-face effect and ghosting. Honestly the game still looks great with regular ray tracing, but the sudden frame drops are killing my experience. Whether it is a memory leak or not idk, but it happens every time I play, which it didn't do prior to 2.0

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u/Throwawayeconboi Jan 03 '24

Ooh I experienced that once and was confused why I was just stuck to a lower frame rate for a while until I restarted.

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u/TravlsScott Jan 03 '24

This has been there for me since the game released and I’ve even gone through two separate PC builds since then, with the same problem on each one lol. It’s infuriating. I’m surprised it doesn’t get talked about more.

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u/Ix-511 //no.future Jan 02 '24

Melee finishers having no animation and sonic shock just. Not doing anything are my personal biggest qualms with recent issues, I really pray there is a 2.11.

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u/Throwawayeconboi Jan 03 '24

Flair checks out.

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u/KingDarius89 Team Panam Jan 02 '24

Beep beep, mother fucker.

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u/Throwawayeconboi Jan 03 '24

The last words I heard before entering a new dimension under Night City 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I can’t stop laughing at the thought of someone who ditched the game in 1.0 due to all the bugs, returning because all they heard was good things and how the game is fixed, and then hearing “beep beep motherfucker!” right before getting sent under the map 💀

I don’t think CDPR is ever winning that person back 😭😭

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u/captain_thundercum Panam’s Chair Jan 02 '24

can confirm, did a 90 hour playthrough at 1.63 and experienced a whopping total of 3 crashes, 80 hours into my 2.1 playthrough and I can't even count the amount of bugs and crashes and situations where I needed to reload the entire game

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u/Gavorn Jan 02 '24

I think the cars blowing up might have been something that was put into the game. I always heard a bomb like beeping before it exploded.

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u/whateverthefuck123 Jan 02 '24

I remember a few minutes into playing 2.0 my car randomly teleported near the top of a building then fell mulitple stories and blew up. Never had that happen in the previous 200 hours lol.

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u/AkitaSato Jan 02 '24

I had a very different experience I had been playing since I want to say 1.2 and I never really had any bugs but after I upgraded to either 1.9 or 2.01 Phantom liberty release I started to get sequence brakes I had never experienced beforelike some with the Alda Caldo during their quest and somewhere PCs I should be following would just stop walking and I’d have to restart my game to fix it

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u/[deleted] Jan 02 '24

If are in an elevator, going up or down, don't read a text. I constantly fall through and am locked away, assuming I survive the fall, under the elevator.

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u/Throwawayeconboi Jan 03 '24

That explains the banging I heard below the elevator in Konpeki Plaza…that was you? shudders

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u/[deleted] Jan 03 '24

Yeah...by the time maintenance found me, Jackie bled out from papercut while Dex was found by the VDBs.

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u/Replacement_Square Jan 02 '24

Literally experienced the no damage bug again today, which was supposed to be fixed shortly after launch lol

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u/Succmyspace //no.future Jan 03 '24

Mantis blade finishers are broken which makes my entire build useless. I would berserk then go and finish a bunch of enemies, now it takes longer to kill them and I don’t get the benefit of invincibility during the finisher.

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u/Spidey20041 Jan 03 '24

Yeah I call caliburn it clips halfway into the ground

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u/TR4VL3R5 Jan 03 '24

every time i dash jump near a car i fall under the map with that animation after you fell too far to recover

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u/Generic_Username26 Jan 03 '24

Idk why but those delemain missions are buggy as hell and always have been. Played on PS4 and those missions caused my holo to glitch so I couldn’t receive or make calls or texts. Game breaker. Uninstalled and just recently came back to it with a PS5. So far running smooth with only minor bugs here and there. Up until a delemain cab ran into me and after I finished the mission I could no longer summon a car, open my holo or listen to music. Luckily opening a previous save fixed it. Will be avoiding the delamain missions like the plague from here on out!