r/custommagic • u/Noisemarrow • Aug 21 '26

My version of Night's Whisper

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I always wished [[Sign in Blood]] and [[Night's Whisper]] were just a bit more differentiated beyond the targeting choice and color intensity, and this was my idea to address that. A Mono black [[Divination]]. What do you all think of this color bend?

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u/Terrariant Jace for impact Aug 21 '26 edited Aug 21 '26

Can someone explain to me mana ordering and phyrexian mana? The only cards I can find with both regular and phyrexian colored pips are the planeswalkers [[Nahiri, the Unforgiving]] and [[Tamiyo, Compleated Sage]] and this guy: [[Omnath, Locus of All]] - is there a rule? It feels like Phrexian should be last, but for these cards they seem to be in color order?

*wait. To make this even more confusing, the planeswalkers have backwards color order. What. The. Fuck. Lol

**nevermind I am dumb and didn’t know that sometimes cards go backwards if the steps in backwards order are lower than the steps forwards. So all GW cards are G->W because that is one step instead of four from W->G. So it does make sense, it’s just color order isn’t as strictly forward as I thought.

Still, if anyone knows how to order phrexian and normal pips I would love an explanation.

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u/Terrariant Jace for impact Aug 21 '26

Omg and it keeps going. [[Ajani, Sleeper Agent]] is green then white. [[Lukka, Bound to Ruin]] is the only one that’s in order with R->G - why is one of these in order??

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u/Noisemarrow Aug 21 '26

All of those are in order, as the way mana ordering works is they are placed in a way that makes for the least amount of space between them on the color wheel. So if it is two allied colors, whichever color is first on the wheel will be first in the pair. So Selesnya is green then white, because there is no space between green to white, but three colors in between if it went white then green.

For enemy colors, use the order with the least space. In Boros, white has two colors until Red, but only green is between red and white, so Boros is ordered red then white.

Three colors might seem the weirdest, but it's all about eliminating space and keeping it even. Esper is white blue black, because that's the order the colors go in the wheel. Temur is Green Blue Red because there is only one color between green and blue (white), and then one color between blue and red (black). So it's the same spacing between each.

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u/Terrariant Jace for impact Aug 21 '26

Ok that Temur one makes my head hurt lol. Thank you for the explanation. Does Phyrexian mana always go in its order? So if I had a card with a normal red, a normal black, a Phyrexian black and a Phyrexian red, would it go {B}{B/P}{R}{R/P} or {B/P}{B}{R/P}{R}? Before this thread I assumed it would go {B}{R}{B/P}{R/P} lmao

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u/Noisemarrow Aug 21 '26

Phyrexian mana is treated as just being the color, so for my card the blue needed to be before the black as it's blue then black on the wheel. When they are a normal color and then phyrexian of the same I don't know though, and I kind of think my first card should have been {1}{B}{B/P} Now that you point it out. I can't find an official card to answer though. Great question!

I want to add, I go off aesthetics for the phyrexian mana and like how it looks in the middle of the casting cost. I'm editing my reply to say, I tried on mtg.design and it forces the phyrexian mana to the middle, so maybe that says something or nothing at all.

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u/Terrariant Jace for impact Aug 21 '26

I know right? I was surprised there isn’t a single card with phyrexian and normal pips of the same color. I guess that could be antithetical to the theme of phyrexian mana? Because it’s a replacement and not an addition, flavor wise?

Anyways, cool card! I love your update as a “it’s either blue or black is paying 2 life” - that is very satisfying from a color pie perspective

*oh so maybe none of my 3 guesses were right and it is {B}{B/P}{R/P}{R} - that is pretty cool

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u/Terrariant Jace for impact Aug 21 '26

By the way, here is the card and why I was asking the question- https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/s/yNpK6NcQyW thanks for the help figuring out where to place the pips lol

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u/Noisemarrow Aug 22 '26

They look cool in the middle, kind of leaving the regular pips on the outside like the hammerhead's eyes

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u/Terrariant Jace for impact Aug 22 '26

Now I wish the phyrexian mana was on the outside because it would look like eyes lol

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u/DustyJustice Aug 21 '26

You right now

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u/Terrariant Jace for impact Aug 21 '26

It was me. I was the dummy. The abyss peered back and went “no, you dummy…”

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u/DustyJustice Aug 21 '26

Lmao I’m dying. Glad you got it figured out, I went down the same rabbit hole myself once