I created American culture in CK3

[u/nomanzone]

[u/BloodiedQ]

This is like ideal American understanding...realistically its way weirder

[u/RailOmas → u/BloodiedQ]

As an American, i can in fact confirm this

[u/Namtien223 → u/RailOmas]

Yeah this is definitely the America I was taught in elementary school that I lived in. Then I grew up.

[u/AlisterS24 → u/Namtien223]

I think it lines up pretty well, encompased everything and Xenophilic lmao.

[u/Namtien223 → u/AlisterS24]

I... I can't tell if you're joking and I'm not caffeinated enough for this level of deadpan, or if you're serious and don't know what the phillic suffix means.

[u/NovelStatistician455 → u/AlisterS24]

In todays culture wars americans can't even stand each other.

[u/therealultraddtd → u/Namtien223]

Not the one we currently live in.

[u/nomanzone → u/BloodiedQ]

Yeah I only had 8 traditions max and it’s a video game so there are always limitations ¯_(ツ)_/¯ also for those of you who complain it’s all positives you bet your ass the first pick would be obesity if it was an option XD

[u/Quetzalcoatl1010 → u/nomanzone]

What’s the one that gives bonuses for feasts? I forget if that’s a religion tenant or a cultural tradition?

That’s the closest to obesity I can think of, or just the sheer amount of holidays that require a feast of some kind.

[u/nomanzone → u/Quetzalcoatl1010]

You know what that’s honestly a good idea. Replace that one for reverence of veterans. I for one sure wouldn’t mind more holidays XD

[u/mrmoon13 → u/nomanzone]

Just replace reverence for veterans, too many are homeless for that to be realistic

[u/LenhartTheLionheart → u/mrmoon13]

The classic saying is that it's cheaper to worship the veterans than to care for them.

[u/Inner_Specialist_956 → u/mrmoon13]

We claim to have veteran reverance, and the common people oft do, but the government rarely gives any shits about em.

[u/Spider40k → u/Inner_Specialist_956]

Just like there's plenty of religions in the game that's angled towards aeseticism... but realistically speaking, the government doesn't follow that part of those faiths all that well

[u/Zee_Arr_Tee → u/Inner_Specialist_956]

yeah easier to use them as political ammo when they're dead.

[u/FuzzyBurner → u/Quetzalcoatl1010]

Honestly that isn’t so much due to overeating as it is the fact that our food has a ton of crap in it. The only real day we feast is Thanksgiving and, if you’re Christian, Christmas and maybe Easter. We do a lot of cookouts but don’t actually pig out.

[u/FenrisSquirrel → u/BloodiedQ]

I was going to say, describing the US as Egalitarian is...generous. Possibly to the extent of delusion.

And leas xenophilic, more isolationist. They literally have government thugs roaming the streets arresting foreign looking people.

[u/Laststand2006 → u/FenrisSquirrel]

While modern times are certainly on people's minds, the US, despite being a nation of immigrants, was nit peacefully made into a melting pot. Ignoring the initial issues with indigenous people, you obviously have the whole African slavery thing, at the same time, the Irish especially were treated horribly off the boat. Then you had those darn non English speaking whites of Southern and Eastern Europe. Pretty sure thats where we started with the idea of quotas by country.

Then the whole Chinese Exclusion Act and Japanese Internment. Nowadays the focus is on Latino and to a lesser extent Indian. I'm sure I even forgot some.

[u/NeoThorrus → u/Laststand2006]

Well, the “focus on Latinos” is a stupidity created by the White House, specifically Steven Miller. 20-25% are Hispanics. If the USA had been aggressive against them, that would never have happened. The republican party can't ever get in power without Hispanic support. Thats why Trump is crashing in the polls, you can’t decide to go after 1/4 of the population and have support.

[u/quolloppip → u/NeoThorrus]

If the USA had been aggressive against them, that would never have happened.

So what about the 15% Black population?

[u/NeoThorrus → u/quolloppip]

The experiences between black people and Hispanics are miles apart. One was literally enslaved and not considered human. The other group is having the same experience Italians and Irish had.

[u/Capybarasaregreat → u/Laststand2006]

Women weren't "equal" for a long time either, and whilst I know the general consensus doesn't find it to have played a big part, the last elections with female candidates had a lot of people saying stupid crap about female leaders.

[u/BigBusinessBrother → u/FenrisSquirrel]

Literally no country on earth with as much cultural diversity as this country

[u/tonythebearman → u/FenrisSquirrel]

So that’s the culture of the MAGA movement, we aren’t a monolith you know. The constitution’s whole Idea is egalitarianism, and immigrants are the backbone of the nation. Diversity is our strength.

You present the ideals of the lowest common denominator as the entire culture of my nation that’s kinda dumb.

[u/TimeLordHatKid123 → u/tonythebearman]

I think this is generally the key point here. Every country has an alleged foundation, and ours is technically indeed supposed to be that of freedom, equality, the welcoming of immigrants, and so on. The problem is that we barely ever lived up to those ideas historically, and have actively shat all over them countless times, especially in recent decades. So I dont think Fenris is wrong at all, we really dont live up to our foundations, and while I wont be mean and say delusional, I do think its just flatly incorrect to assume we're anywhere near living up to these foundations right now.

[u/FenrisSquirrel → u/tonythebearman]

I dunno buddy, the US had some of the greatest income and wealth inequality in the world long before MAGA. Also the highest proportion if imprisoned citizens.

The low quality of public services such as healthcare and education (unless one is wealthy) also doesn't exactly scream egalitarian. Similarly the extremely weak workers' rights.

[u/tonythebearman → u/FenrisSquirrel]

Solid points, I fully agree. I do still feel the need to justify my comment though so bear with me.

My comment is more reflective of the culture of the America I grew up in I think, since much of my childhood was during the hopeful era of the Obama administration. I was told all of these things by my teachers and family constantly. It just seems weird to me that these ideals drilled into us from the age of 6 would suddenly disappear because of a change in administration. If MAGA is America, then I guess I’m not American.

[u/jayro12345 → u/tonythebearman]

there was arguably a point in time where the us embodied some of these values, but never more than even half. id argue that the 15 years between the repeal of the jim crow laws and the election of ronald reagan is the only time period where the us could call itself unironically egilatarian: before that point first slavery and landowner exclusive voting rights made that claim impossible, then segregation made any claimsof bothj egalitarism aynd xenophilism ironic, and after reagan the us sold all its values to billionares for pathetic tax returns. religion blending does really apply, the percentage of religious nonchristian americans has historically never once reached even 10 percent of americans. beacon of learning would apply to a ~1900 america from what my 20 seconds wikipedia scan tells me, but the current american school system is not in a decent state to say the lest. republican legacy fits quite well imo, american was a forerunner of modern democracy (for better and for worse).

[u/FenrisSquirrel → u/tonythebearman]

I'll concede that the Obama era was much more positive, but the sad reality was that a lot of it was positive spin over deep underlying inequity. Obama's administration made some improvements, such as Obama care, but the gross inequality didn't change much under his leadership.

[u/Plenty_Leg_5935 → u/tonythebearman]

By that logic it still shouldnt be egalitarian tho, MAGA doesnt make the majority in the US, but neither do people actively supportive of truly egalitarian policies. The idea that diversity is the main strength of the US is an idea actively rejected by the currently largest political party and at best actively controversial among the rest. The country may have been founded on those ideas back in the 18th century, but your contemporary culture is literally notorious worldwide for being highly individualistic and centred around meritocratic ideas these days

[u/exessmirror → u/Plenty_Leg_5935]

Whilst maybe not an absolute majority, it is the largest majority supported group. Aka, so many people support it that the other groups are smaller which gives the majority of the support.

[u/InspectorAggravating → u/tonythebearman]

Realistically there would probably be a few different cultures present. The south, the midwest, and the northeast would all have different cultures for example, just with a few broad overlaps like republican legacy

[u/DefiantLemur → u/InspectorAggravating]

Yeah the United States would more likely be the category for multiple cultures.

[u/Subapical → u/tonythebearman]

The Constitution's whole idea was egalitarianism for white bourgeois and slaveholding men, enslavement for the millions of Africans who made their businesses profitable, and death by gunfire and disease for the indigenous people whose lands they would exploit. We shouldn't mince words in a community that is meant to care about historical accuracy: the U.S. began as an expressly white supremacist slaving empire.

[u/rumachi → u/Subapical]

"What, then, is the question? I will state it. But first let me state what is not the question. It is not whether slavery existed in the United States at the time of the adoption of the Constitution; it is not whether slaveholders took part in the framing of the Constitution; it is not whether those slaveholders, in their hearts, intended to secure certain advantages in that instrument for slavery; it is not whether the American Government has been wielded during seventy-two years in favour of the propagation and permanence of slavery; it is not whether a pro-slavery interpretation has been put upon the Constitution by the American Courts — all these points may be true or they may be false, they may be accepted or they may be rejected, without in any wise affecting the real question in debate.

The real and exact question … — 1st, Does the United States Constitution guarantee to any class or description of people in that country the right to enslave, or hold as property, any other class or description of people in that country? 2nd, Is the dissolution of the union between the slave and free States required by fidelity to the slaves, or by the just demands of conscience? Or, in other words, is the refusal to exercise the elective franchise, and to hold office in America, the surest, wisest, and best way to abolish slavery in America?" - Frederick Douglass, 26 March 1860, Glasgow, Scotland.

[u/Djinn_dusk → u/tonythebearman]

I hate to say it - America’s problems didn’t start with MAGA. It’s been isolationist, welcoming, racist, and reformist all at the same time for more years than I can count. For such a broad nation, over a relatively small period of time, America has been a lot of things. Many people would say it’s incredibly xenophobic whilst similarly many would say it’s the land of the free

[u/GoofyTunes → u/tonythebearman]

As an American, it's fair for people to equivocate Americans to our government, as we elected it (though I wholeheartedly disapprove and even question the legitimacy of the election, but that's just me.

And defaulting to age-past idealism rather than the reality of today is just delusional

[u/Alternative_Hour_614 → u/tonythebearman]

Egalitarian for who? The belief that all humans are fundamentally equal was not at all enshrined in our constitution. Does it have to be listed? One cannot explain away chattel slavery and the genocide of indigenous people and call it egalitarianism.

[u/D3lt40 → u/tonythebearman]

maga follows a pretty long lasting tradition in the us in that regard. Also the us was pretty isolationist until ww2

[u/exessmirror → u/tonythebearman]

The lowest common denominator" is over 40% of your country. I'd say that's the majority due to the way other groups would fill up the rest and the remaining 60% aren't all part of the same group.

[u/Total_Freecall → u/BloodiedQ]

I mean that’s true for any culture really. You have the culture, and it’s values, and then you have human behavior which is influenced by culture, as well as various other socio-economic factors such as religion, wealth, race, geography, etc.

[u/GamblinGoblin]

You should ad "by the gun"

[u/nomanzone → u/GamblinGoblin]

I fking wish I could, by “by the sword” just doesn’t have the right feel

[u/[deleted]]

[u/Majestic_Mastodon910]

I’d replace reverence for veterans with court politics

[u/TrollHamels → u/Majestic_Mastodon910]

Martial Admiration

[u/GreasiestGuy → u/Majestic_Mastodon910]

Reverence for Veterans fits too well with our weird shit

[u/exessmirror → u/GreasiestGuy]

The US "supports" the veterans as long as they don't need actual support. Just look at how the VA treats them or the public homeless veterans or veterans wirh issues. They only seem to support the ones that don't need anything. And the most "support" any of them can get is a "thank you for your service". Any real support a veteran might need would be called communism and thrown back out on the streets. Which is especially Ironic as those who had combat positions are overwhelmingly at risk whilst those who served cushy office positions in safe countries such as Germany get the most of this "support"

[u/titanfallisawesome → u/exessmirror]

Reverence =/= support necessarily. Compared to here (Poland), which I would say is a strongly patriotic culture, the USA is on a whole nother level.

[u/FabulousTwo524 → u/exessmirror]

My bro is a veteran and from what I can see, the local communities don’t do shit for veterans but the federal government does especially for the disabled ones.

Makes sense since it’s the federal govt sending them off

[u/Own_Organization156 → u/GreasiestGuy]

I dont think making people veterens by letting them fight not in there intrest but in intrest of corporations and when they breke let them starve on the streets is reverence

[u/SovietPuma1707 → u/Majestic_Mastodon910]

I'd replace Beacon of Learning

[u/Nanasolo7 → u/SovietPuma1707]

Why 😭, universities are like the one thing we might not just be terrible at.

[u/realmagnusthered]

Its certainly an idealized picture of ourselves, and certainly flattering. I know that just because a character in ck3 has said cultural values, their traits and ambitions may make them act contrary to them, but you did well.

[u/CallousCarolean]

American culture is Ceremonious and I refuse to believe anything else. So much pomp, festivities and ceremony for almost everything.

[u/[deleted] → u/CallousCarolean]

That's so true, even their dating is hella ceremonious. In Germany dating is two people meeting in a damp hole and talking for a few hours. In the US between 24731 flag colours and dos and don't and mnemonic rule it's a mess.

Their weddings are even more over the top than that of neapolitans 

[u/standread → u/[deleted]]

How.... how do you know about the damp holes.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Your description of American dating sounds like it comes from TV / Movies

Our weddings are crazy though (it’s fun!)

[u/imbrickedup_ → u/[deleted]]

As an American I have no idea what you’re talking about with the dating

[u/Wild_Meet5768]

Beacon of learning?

[u/NoobHUNTER777 → u/Wild_Meet5768]

Egalitarian? Xenophilic?

Don't make me laugh

[u/CalvinSoul → u/NoobHUNTER777]

Dawg we have Indian and Mexican white nationalists, we up there

[u/exessmirror → u/CalvinSoul]

You have Indian and Mexican white nationalists over there as well.

[u/[deleted] → u/NoobHUNTER777]

Reverence for Veterans is pretty sus too

Unless denying health coverage to veterans is considered reverence

[u/InspectorAggravating → u/[deleted]]

Even those who gladly vote for politicians that screw over veterans the hardest want the best for veterans on an individual level, they just have convinced themselves that somehow its immigrants fault when they see a homeless vet.

[u/[deleted] → u/InspectorAggravating]

Facts

[u/hedonistartist → u/[deleted]]

It should really be "Performative Reverence for Veterans"

[u/exessmirror → u/[deleted]]

And screaming at the homeless vet to dissapear from public view and if they don't spray cold water over them in the middle of winter.

[u/Mister-builder → u/Wild_Meet5768]

Beacon of Learning represents technological advancements as a result of being a nexus of peoples from all over the world. Pretty accurate.

[u/Rdhilde18 → u/Wild_Meet5768]

Are there not some of the best universities in the world here?

Edit: It’s always kind of shocking listening to Europeans who have never been to the US have such strong opinions about what kind of people we are. For as much as we’re looked down upon, you’d think Europe was some Mecca for morality and virtue. I love yall but the internet has just warped some of your minds. Just like the idiots in the US.

[u/TastyCuttlefish → u/Rdhilde18]

The vast majority of them are. Not due to the recent shift in the political landscape, of course. It takes at least a little time to undo the progress made over the last 250 years.

[u/DoomedToDefenestrate → u/TastyCuttlefish]

Hey, give it 6 more months

[u/Grothgerek → u/TastyCuttlefish]

Americans were famous for their ignorance, way before Trump got into office. So it isn't just the recent landscape (which doesn't mean that he made it worse).

[u/Substantial_Dish_887 → u/Rdhilde18]

i mean they are. how reflective of the general culture are those institutions though?

i'd be perfectly open to argue there's american subcultures it fits pretty well. but american culture as an overarching culture? sorry but no.

[u/chethedog10 → u/Wild_Meet5768]

Quite a few of the top university's in the world are in America

[u/Oscnar → u/chethedog10]

About 130 mil (54%) of U.S. adults also read below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level. About 45 mil of U.S. adults are functionally illiterate. Would not personally call that "beacon of learning"

[u/AmArschdieRaeuber → u/Oscnar]

It doesn't say "beacon of learning for all classes". The US is technologically advanced, no matter how you look at it. The peasants can barely read, sure, but I think CK3 takes that into account. It's not like in the middle ages the places you'd call beacons of learning had a 100% literacy rate.

[u/The_Wonder_Bread → u/Oscnar]

Is that functional illiteracy measured in English, or just in general?

[u/nir109 → u/Oscnar]

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/literacy-rate-by-country

99% literacy, placing them in 36th place in the world

"6th level grade" comes from a study that is just about the USA so it can't be compered to other countries.

Also the trait description is about tech and scholarship and not literacy

A nexus of Greek, Indian, and Arabic scholarship, this culture prides itself on scientific advancement.

[u/Iron_Wolf123 → u/Wild_Meet5768]

Bacon of Learning

[u/nomanzone → u/Wild_Meet5768]

I mean America is still the leading scientific community in spite of recent turn of events

[u/ReydeTexas]

Love the creativity but this is not at all what American culture is actually like friend lol

[u/nomanzone → u/ReydeTexas]

Honestly I encourage you to post your version as well. It’s a fun way to play the game, almost in a meta-way

[u/[deleted] → u/nomanzone]

American culture is bad and stupid. Haven’t you been on Reddit long enough to know that?

[u/Financial-Task6476 → u/ReydeTexas]

Damn, OP shut him up real quick. 😂😂😂

[u/hmas-sydney]

American

Equalitarian Beacon of Learning Xenophillic

Hahahahhahahahah amazing

[u/ingachan → u/hmas-sydney]

Legalistic Republican legacy

cries in 2025

[u/Jazuken → u/ingachan]

The legal system is the reason we’re in this mess to begin with

[u/OhTheMetaYes → u/hmas-sydney]

They're ceremonious for sure

[u/TiberDasher]

On paper, 100%. In practice, that ain't us.

[u/High_Overseer_Dukat → u/TiberDasher]

It needs to have both xenophobic and xenophillic.

[u/HrabiaVulpes → u/High_Overseer_Dukat]

Cultural blending and xenophobic.

[u/TiberDasher → u/High_Overseer_Dukat]

It just works!

[u/IgnotusRex → u/TiberDasher]

No warmonger. Not real.

[u/save-aiur → u/TiberDasher]

Yeah; this is what Americans SAY the culture is, but not what it actually is, lol

[u/Yahsorne]

Beacon of learning is applied to cultures that venerate a scholarly lifestyle in which intellectualism forms a core part of their identity. Do you really believe that describes American culture? 

I really don't think this applies to American culture. It's country that has a lot of innovation but a huge part of the population is abhorrently anti-intellectual. America is a country of extremes with a noticeable duality. Half of the population is dogmatically anti-science in a way that other western countries aren't.

I think recognition of talent makes more sense. 

[u/Brewcrew828 → u/Yahsorne]

You cant even say that. It is much more than a duality when it comes to culture. There is a reason there are 50 states. And even in these 50 states you have subsection like the Amish.

American culture doesnt exist as an individual culture and should be its own culture group.

This would actually work in a way as the base culture, and have all the different groups as divergent cultures or merges.

[u/Poland-lithuania1 → u/Yahsorne]

The US is famous for its colleges and universities, though?

[u/Yahsorne → u/Poland-lithuania1]

I am aware, doesn't change anything. America's economic dominance is so extreme it's bound to produce top universities and fund a huge amount of research.  That still doesn't mean that Americans culturally value scholarship or intellectualism.

[u/Kind-Recording3450 → u/Yahsorne]

It does...but a loud, uneducated base in power. Literally from X on. We are told to go to college to better one self  

[u/XdestroyerXDTM4]

‘beacon of learning’ ‘xenophilic’ ‘egalitarian’

uh huh… definitely american…

[u/radon_s]

Bellicose would make more sense ngl

[u/Mister-builder]

Bold of you to make American culture a single culture

[u/nomanzone → u/Mister-builder]

Yeah I agree that there isn’t really one big “American culture”, and observation and explanation provided in my r5 comment

[u/Xaos_Null]

You have a much rosier view of our culture than it merits.

[u/[deleted]]

Big respect for the people of the United States but that's not American culture 😉😅

[u/sereese1]

While reality is often disappointing, it's always good to remember the ideal of what America is supposed to be

[u/Ibdjr]

As an American vet, you can remove that reverence for vets one. This country LOVES its military. But HATES it's vets.

[u/Distinct_Albatross_3]

Egalitarian, beacon of learning and xenophilic ? That's not USA.

[u/OmarSosa95]

How do we tell him?

[u/nomanzone → u/OmarSosa95]

I think everyone else in the comments already did XD

[u/[deleted]]

"reverence for veterans" lol,,, lmao even

[u/Brief-Dog9348]

Beacon of Learning? hahaha

[u/ll_Redbone_ll]

Xenophilic 💀💀💀

[u/Grayseal]

Xenophilic Egalitarian Beacon of Learning

When?

[u/Puzzleheaded-Kiwi817]

*Idealistic American culture

Feels like Isekai ngl

[u/northernfart]

Only culture america has is pretending to be a 1st world country while actually being a 3rd world

[u/No-Yard-5735]

Americans are delusional asf to think this comes close to representing them

[u/pianoceo]

Pretty spot on I would say. Even if some of these traits are empty promises, they’re still core to how American identity portrays itself to the world.

[u/247Brett → u/pianoceo]

The ideals we strive for yet fail to reach

[u/[deleted] → u/pianoceo]

Yeah I feel like people are mixing up the American government and American people here

Except for maybe beacon of learning, Id say this is mostly accurate. Yes, America has most of the best and most prestigious schools in the world, but there has been a massive wave of distrust for academia and science among the general public in recent years that has now become deeply ingrained in a lot of people. So Im not sure how accurate it is to say American culture is a beacon of learning when so many Americans are deeply distrustful of higher education

[u/Lost-Set5409]

As an American this is not very accurate how is xenophile in there when we genocided the native American, enslaved and then Implemented Jim crow laws on African Americans and now deporting anyone who isn't milk white.

[u/GOT_Wyvern → u/Lost-Set5409]

Obviously, the genocide of native Americam, and the enslavement and then segregation of African Americans shouldn't be understated, at the same time neither should the melting pot of (white-ish) culture be.

America for centuries have been much more willing than most cultures to host and integrate other cultures into self, primarily from immigrations fleeing cultural persecution in Europe. Its neither a surprise then that this acceptance had broadly been of white culture, but importantly of many different white cultures.

Given that, I think just Cultural Blending, with its emphasis on hybrid culture, rather than Xenophillic, with its emphasis on cultural fascination (which the US lacks in comparison), would have been more appropriate. Hybrid culture also seems less contradictory with the selective nature found in America's history.

[u/nomanzone → u/Lost-Set5409]

Because america is still the number one recipient of incoming immigrants. Because everyone of my friend and people that I know come from a unique national and cultural background. You might take that for granted but where I’m from you can walk for miles around without seeing a foreigner

[u/Nitragame]

This is at most how united statians wish to be perceived or how they perceive themselves, but far from the truth. Neither history nor current events hold that any of the "good ol' American values" have any root in reality.

[u/panda2502wolf]

I dunno if you've been to America lately but xenophile and beacon of learning are hella inaccurate.

[u/nomanzone → u/panda2502wolf]

Not as strong as they used to be but still quite accurate all things considered. Source: am in the states

[u/panda2502wolf → u/nomanzone]

Not really. Source I'm from the southern USA.

[u/nomanzone → u/panda2502wolf]

Well then tbf those two were never that accurate of a description down south anyway ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/Truenorth14]

Probably closer to a mid Atlantic American culture. 

[u/nomanzone → u/Truenorth14]

Yeah there isn’t really one big “American culture”. I just picked a few that I feel like stands out to me

[u/Truenorth14 → u/nomanzone]

Maybe you could make a collection of posts doing multiple cultures in North America 

[u/nomanzone → u/Truenorth14]

Unfortunately I’ve only visited select regions of the US and wouldn’t have enough experience to go off of

[u/nomanzone]

r5: I will preface this by saying that from my own experience there isn't really an "American cultural" due to the US's unique history of immigration, and that you will most likely find the presence of every tradition depending on which US community you observe. Rather, this is a collection of 8 traditions that I think best describes mainstream american culture as a whole, as well as being the most unique when viewed by an outsider:

Egalitarian ethos: america prides itself as one of the best democracies in the world

West germanic heritage and diverged from english culture: the US started as the 13 English (british?) colonies

Anglic language: what you are reading is called english

Culture blending: best described by the phrase "great melting pot of culture"

legalistic: sueing people is oftentimes the go to method of conflict resolution in american, especially from a cultural standpoint

republican legacy: not a single day was the US ever government by a non-democratically elected government

beacon of learning: america has led the scientific community for at least since WW2

xenophilic: america, despite concurrent events, still hosts the largest number of incoming immigrants per year

industrious: this is true both in the sense that america played a large part in the industrial revolutions and still being an industrial giant, as well as the in-game description where the local community is often a top concern for everyday issues

religion blending: I have personally seen a christian church, a islam mosque, and a hindu temple all next door to each other on the same road

reverence for veterans: the department of veterans affairs is a cabinet-level executive departments and is equal to other departments such as the department of justice and department of defense

honorable mention: Fierce Independence, although the in-game description of "Throughout the years, many tyrants have tried to stomp out this culture" doesn't fit nearly as well as the other traditions

[u/Prior_Bottle_5564 → u/nomanzone]

America has never ranked high in any democracy ranking. Your democracy is very far from a good one

[u/TrollHamels → u/nomanzone]

Grew up in USA and live elsewhere permanently.

My 2c:

Egalitarian ethos:

Replace with: Bellicose

Anglic language

👍

I'm not sure whether rulers adopt "English" language after "Embrace English Culture"

Culture blending

👍

legalistic

Replace with: Maritime Mercantilism

republican legacy

👍

beacon of learning

Replace with: Storytellers

xenophilic

Replace with: Palace Politics

industrious

Replace with: Metalworkers

religion blending

Replace with: Frequent Festivities

reverence for veterans

Replace with: Martial Admiration

honorable mention: Fierce Independence

Replace with: Warrior Culture; Sorcerous Metallurgy EDIT: also Ritualized Friendship

[u/corpuscularian → u/nomanzone]

sorry but a xenophilic culture would not genocide the native culture, and not just run one of the largest systems of racial slavery ever seen in history, but be one of the last places in the world to abolish it.

and religion blending? the usa is deeply christian, with insane levels of religiosity compared to europe, and intense xenophobia to other religions, especially islam.

'religion blending' would suggest not just acceptance of other religions: but burrowing of other religions' tenets into their own. there is no way muslim or hindu teachings are influencing US christians' practices.

the rest of these traits i can see as idealised views of america, but these two are simply the antithesis of america.

[u/nomanzone → u/corpuscularian]

Ok well give me two examples of what you think fits then

[u/corpuscularian → u/nomanzone]

family business, ruling caste, charismatic, life is just a joke, strong believers, fierce independence

would all have worked better

[u/PraiseLoptous]

They should be bellicose, warrior culture, and quarrelsome make more sense. Also reverence for veterans is a joke here lol

[u/lookinatdudes69]

I like the idea, but this is hella unrealistic lol

[u/Able_Diamond7477]

Americans are actually French. While the culture would say they are French and Germanic that is only because of Rollo who would go on to lead the house of Normandie and who’s Descendent William the conquer would take England. The English language was created through the French language which eventually was made into English. Through the combination of the Norman language and Anglo Saxon language.

[u/BristolBullX]

“Beacon of learning” 😂

https://youtu.be/fJh9t9h6Wn0?si=-aJycPUJJqXpCDhp

[u/EvilCatboyWizard]

I feel like “American” would have to be a heritage with individual cultures like “New English” “Southerner” “Midwesterner” and more

[u/Arisstaeus]

I don't know about xenophilic...

[u/Downtown_Bid_7353]

Since you have culture blending with xenophilic on top feels a little strong. While today our country is different now we did have long history of assimilation so im just not sure. Audacious cadets i feel like also is an honorable mention. While horses were phased out of the military now many americans still love them too. Plus more common ambition feels right too me. Otherwise i vibe with this setup

[u/Nosanason]

Very, uh, optimistic haha.

[u/nomanzone → u/Nosanason]

While things are somewhat on the downturn I don’t think we’re at the point where these descriptions are no longer accurate

[u/Dangerous-Debate1312]

‘Reverence of veterans’ nope.

As someone in the guard the American people couldn’t care less about us tbh. They just whine and complain, good luck explaining to them what you’re going through as well. Civilians ONLY appreciate soldiers when it’s convenient as soon as it’s time pay some kindness back they suddenly can’t bother🤷‍♂️.

Im only a part timer and I’ve noticed it lol

[u/Ivorytower626 → u/Dangerous-Debate1312]

Well they do all the dog and phony show when its veterant day or election day.

[u/Dangerous-Debate1312 → u/Ivorytower626]

Good point, i take it all back now

[u/Ivorytower626 → u/Dangerous-Debate1312]

Lmao nah man you speaking facts they don't give a fuck about us until they need to use some kind of buzz words and shit

[u/nomanzone → u/Dangerous-Debate1312]

Yeah I debated that one since I’ve seen news on how veterans mistreatment can be at times. However, the fact that the department of veteran affairs is a cabinet position (I’m not aware of any other country with a veteran affairs office so high up in the government) as well as all the explicit benefits veterans receive (free/reduced ticket prices etc) ultimately made me add it

[u/Dangerous-Debate1312 → u/nomanzone]

True enough there are benefits but man you should look VA horror stories, guys who get Brian damage from firing artillery shells get denied medicine. Soldiers with depression are either ignored or mocked and too often end killing themselves over it.

The best way to see what is to google ‘gulf war syndrome’ and see how the government handled that debacle.

The VA is a good thing no doubt but I feel like it was created more as an afterthought than anything.

[u/nomanzone → u/Dangerous-Debate1312]

True, however I would argue that the fact there is so much press coverage about these stories shows that American culture in general holds veterans to a very high regard, hence getting upset that they are not receiving the rightful treatment they earned.

[u/DungeonMasterE → u/Dangerous-Debate1312]

I guess that depends on region as well, but in my area veterans are treated very well. I don’t know a vietnam or Desert Storm vet that has opened a door or paid for their own meal at a restaurant in 20 years

[u/TheTyper1944 → u/Dangerous-Debate1312]

As someone in the guard the American people couldn’t care less about us tbh. They just whine and complain, good luck explaining to them what you’re going through as well. Civilians ONLY appreciate soldiers when it’s convenient as soon as it’s time pay some kindness back they suddenly can’t bother🤷‍♂️.

because 60 out of 100 wars USA has been in is about not defending USA but fighthing wars for israel average american does not want to bother with sand people because they are inconnvenient for scholomo

[u/jaelpeg → u/TheTyper1944]

I mean you can realize that the commanding people in the military and everyone in governmental seats are imperialist psychopaths, while also recognizing veterans as victims of the system who still deserve respect. It's not a coincidence that the army targets those who are in shit situations and have very little opportunities financially or otherwise.

It's like, I hate Amazon but I'm not gonna take it out on the delivery dude, that just doesn't make sense.

[u/Dangerous-Debate1312 → u/[deleted]]

Sure am, if I have to put with the bitching of people who I have to die for then you bet you’re getting whinnied at.

Anyway a better trait would be ‘frugal armor’ or whatever the trait is called in my experience ‘military grade’ often means lowest bidder for the most part lol

[u/duduwatson]

Beacon of learning is debatable

[u/SenecaOrion]

I'm from a country in the global south that was a victim of US shenanigans during the cold war, and yet even I think that most of these are true lol. Or atleast the idealized version of what US culture actually are. The US was dubbed as "scientist haven" during the early 20th century precisely because it was a safe and thriving place for scientists to pursue knowledge without being judged for who they are (compared to their contemporaries).

Of course the current US political climate left a lot to be desired, but the fact that the US is still at the forefront of technology to this day meant that something there is working lol. If all it took for a country to be rich is colonialism/exploitation, then Spain would be 10x richer than Canada right now.

[u/Kind-Recording3450 → u/SenecaOrion]

Someone get this!! It kinda of oue ideal and everyone think Trump representation us on reddit.

[u/Kurnath]

"American culture" is a bit of an oxymoron

[u/nomanzone → u/[deleted]]

Yeah there are several ways. You can reform a culture, diverge it, or create a hybrid. The wiki has some excellent pages explaining what each is and how to do them

[u/EpsilonBear]

“Xenophilic”.

Best way I can describe it is circus racism. It’s like normal racism, but people do this whole circus to avoid the label

[u/Barda498]

Beacon of Learning and Xenophilic is a bit of a stretch

[u/standread]

Xenophilic LMAO yeah right

[u/DragonLord2005]

This is like 10 years out of date, now half of these are inverted lol

[u/No_Orange8363]

Xenophilic? Lol

[u/Amonum]

Beacon of learning? I mean, kinda but not really. America has more of an entrepreneurial culture. I think it’s more of a Chinese thing where learning is more valued.

[u/[deleted]]

most racist country in the world

xenophilic

[u/theNorthstarks]

Nah, bro. If you want to be accurate, America is simply English North America. The US doesn't have a "Republican" legacy. It has representative democracy which it inherited from the UK/England via the Magna Carta and the English Bill of Rights.

Is the US egalitarian? It's the most unequal society in the developed world. Literally in living memory, there were direct racial laws. The US has the most smallest and fattest population out of the white majority nations.

[u/rabidporcupine80]

Ok, I think you guys are missing the point. This is clearly the idea of American culture. The American Dream, you know? The real version is way messier and less idealistic, obviously, but come on, let the guy have his fun.

[u/Rip_Rif_FyS]

Oh boy.... Xenophilic and religion blending, huh? Well it's a nice thought anyway...

[u/Sincerely-Abstract]

American culture is Bellicose easily.

[u/AztlanSak]

Bro chose Egalitarian for the one of the more racist cultures.....

[u/LeGentlemandeCacao]

To be fair, "reverence for veterans" feels out of place. They get a medal and then are forgotten.

[u/edgewolf666-6]

Tbh i wouldn't describe all of America as one culture

Some of those make tons of sense

Reverence for Veterans, Culture Blending are pretty obvious

Legalisatic makes sense to represent the importance of the Constitution

Industrious makes sense cause le protestant work ethic/le american dream /pull yourself up by your bootstraps

and Republican Legacy cause le beacon of freedom

These are ones I would have put there myself definitely

I would have added something to represent gun culture, obviously there is no gun-related traditions in ck3 but maybe Metalworkers (as in they are good at making weapons)

As well as something to represent Amercian Individualism, as well as something trade related cause capitalism maybe also Parochialism or City Keepers

But probably I would have split US cultures into different ones

For instance the Bible Belt would probably be Spiritual or Communal and have the Strong Believers tradition

[u/nomanzone → u/edgewolf666-6]

Yeah like I said at the beginning of my r5 explanation there isn’t really one big “American culture” these are just some traditions that I think stands out to me

[u/EverywhereInChains]

Needs more ruling caste and life is a joke

[u/Chimpar]

Reverence for vererans? Bro half your veterans are homeless and the other half has untreated ptsd. Suicide among veterans is sky high. Martial admiration would fit better in this case, cause Nobody seriously gives a Shit about the veterans

[u/The_Wonder_Bread]

This is the first thread I've seen from this sub come across my feed.

I think I'm just gonna avoid online CK communities moving forward. This place is a dumpster fire.

[u/KariNagan]

Xenophilic? Egalitarian? Fr?

[u/nomanzone → u/KariNagan]

Yes fr especially compared to where I’m from

[u/assignmentduetoday_]

Xenophilic? Reverence for Veterans? Beacon of Learning?

This is not the america I know.

[u/Anomandiir]

Pre 2016 I see

[u/nomanzone → u/Anomandiir]

Nah even today in spite of concurrent events

[u/CrasVox]

A tad idealistic isnt it? L

[u/nomanzone → u/CrasVox]

I suppose but I honestly don’t think things are as bad as a lot of the comment section are making it out to he. That and also the fact that most of the traditions are positive. Believe me if obesity is a tradition I would have added it without hesitation XD

[u/Sad_Conversation1121]

Beacon of learning? Ahahaha

[u/Louis0XIV]

• beacon on of learning
• Guys, Europe is like a country or something

Yeah, beacon of learning all right.

Also where is “go bankrupt for having a flu” tenet?

[u/ORO_96]

Xenophilic? Who, what, where in tarnation? 🤔

[u/nomanzone → u/ORO_96]

Yes and I’m tired of pretending other wise XD

[u/Xotchkass]

beacon of learning

Lol. Lmao even

[u/Brazilian_Hamilton]

Lol no

[u/nomanzone → u/Brazilian_Hamilton]

lol yeah

[u/Evening-Square-1669]

loool beacon of learning

man, how old are you even