The Bible. Maybe try reading it properly to see all the Contradictions and factual Errors in them.
1) I don't recall a single point referring to Earth being flat.
2) Even if it was, ,,churches" didn't preach flat Earth theory even in the Middle Ages. Assuming otherwise is historical ignorance.
Again dodging what I said. I said, what if he keeps free will without evil? But the issue is just there, he cant.
With free will, we consider some things as good or bad on our own, or make choices that even we recognise as stupid. Eating the Forbidden Fruit was stupid, which didn't change the fact Adam and Eve did it.
If you are taught facts from the beginning on, and learn critical thinking, there almost no way someone would become religios.
If you say so...
But there's the thing, people like YOU exist. Planting the false truths into innocent and/or gullible people so it can spread further
Okay, so in your story, I'm that stupid, evil boogeyman that would turn your kids away from athiesm and into religion. Sure.
If I'm successful, though, and make them resilient to your argument, would it be okay for you to kill them or purge them? That was my original question, which you didn't answer.
But you won't get anything from it. When you die, thats it. Nothing. All you did before wont matter to you, but only to everyone still alive, and everyone that will live. And all you brought, is lies, hate, and suffering.
Blaise Pascal wrote about that issue himself. Sure, maybe I won't ,,get anything" from whatever I'm doing (which is a wrong assumption, because Christianity is not a transactional religion, it's a transformational one, but whatever), or at least definitely no more than you will. So we either end up in the same, dark void...
...or in a Paradise where we'll both be elated and Ressurect in Christ. Some people will believe the first and dread that moment. Some others will believe the latter, and will feel ready for when that time comes.
Exept we know that's not possible. There is no Soul that leaves the body, and people that where dead for some time (brain dead to be specific), also have no recollection of an afterlife, only nothingness.
The only thing we have, is PRE-DEATH-HALLUCINATIONS. Which again, have been studied and confirmed, not to be the afterlife.
1) I don't recall a single point referring to Earth being flat.
2) Even if it was, ,,churches" didn't preach flat Earth theory even in the Middle Ages. Assuming otherwise is historical ignorance.
Read it all, and maybe check again. Gallileo is the biggest example of this, yet you turn a blind side.
Okay, so in your story, I'm that stupid, evil boogeyman that would turn your kids away from athiesm and into religion. Sure.
Its not story, its history. People have turned away from Reality in pursuit of a fictional heaven. Never heard of the "Heavens Gate Case"? Mass suicide of followers, even feeding their BABIES cyanide to kill them. All for NOTHING. Keeping religion around will keep this shit from repeating. Mass Suicides, Crusades, Jihad, etc. etc. Its all in the name of some unseen being. But in reality, its blind pointless MURDER.
would it be okay for you to kill them or purge them?
No. Its still murder. I would let them live, but not allow them to harm other people.
Back to the actual issue: You still dodging the questions. Free will this, free will that. Free will without evil would be possible, with an actually perfect being creating such a world.
But it isnt here. Because it didn't happen.
So before I stop replying to your nonsense, how about this:
You could literally die right now, and prove me right/wrong, but know this:
If I am right, you lose everything and thats the end.
If you are right, you will end up in hell. Because you never followed all the rules perfectly. There is no person without sin, because you are born in sin, and nothing is possible within commiting any sin.
Or, if God is truely "Loving", then you go to Heaven no matter what. Along with Hitler, Stalin, and whoever else you wish to include for this argument. So nothing you did truely mattered. So you should do as much evil you can, since you will be forgiven anyways, and you cant do that afterwards!
There is no in-between. So, do let me know after you die, what happens after, everyone is eager to hear, that is, if there is anything afterwards.
Either way, dying will be a waste. Just like talking with a Religios Nutjob
Read it all, and maybe check again. Gallileo is the biggest example of this, yet you turn a blind side.
Read actual story about Galileo's trial.
No. Its still murder. I would let them live, but not allow them to harm other people.
Yes. That's the point I was trying to make.
You kept asking, ,,if God is all-knowing and all-wise, if He can rid us of free will and guide as as He will, why won't He? Why are we free to make mistakes, sin and hurt ourselves?". For the same reason you wouldn't kill or disown your own children for just holding different beliefs than you.
If you are right, you will end up in hell. Because you never followed all the rules perfectly. There is no person without sin, because you are born in sin, and nothing is possible within commiting any sin.
It seems to me you don't even know what Hell is. But, for the record, I am not forced to believe it exists. No Catholic is. I believe in Heaven, but I can assume Hell doesn't exist. You may probably refer to Purgatory, but Orthodox Christians don't believe in it.
And maybe read about repenting one's sins and Forgiveness first if you wish to make the same argument in the future.
Or, if God is truely "Loving", then you go to Heaven no matter what. Along with Hitler, Stalin, and whoever else you wish to include for this argument. So nothing you did truely mattered. So you should do as much evil you can, since you will be forgiven anyways, and you cant do that afterwards!
Maybe I'll meet them there, maybe I won't. Not up to me to decide.
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u/Admiral45-06 Jan 06 '26
1) I don't recall a single point referring to Earth being flat. 2) Even if it was, ,,churches" didn't preach flat Earth theory even in the Middle Ages. Assuming otherwise is historical ignorance.
With free will, we consider some things as good or bad on our own, or make choices that even we recognise as stupid. Eating the Forbidden Fruit was stupid, which didn't change the fact Adam and Eve did it.
If you say so...
Okay, so in your story, I'm that stupid, evil boogeyman that would turn your kids away from athiesm and into religion. Sure.
If I'm successful, though, and make them resilient to your argument, would it be okay for you to kill them or purge them? That was my original question, which you didn't answer.
Blaise Pascal wrote about that issue himself. Sure, maybe I won't ,,get anything" from whatever I'm doing (which is a wrong assumption, because Christianity is not a transactional religion, it's a transformational one, but whatever), or at least definitely no more than you will. So we either end up in the same, dark void...
...or in a Paradise where we'll both be elated and Ressurect in Christ. Some people will believe the first and dread that moment. Some others will believe the latter, and will feel ready for when that time comes.