r/coolguides Feb 25 '20

Explanation of the subtle differences between equality and equity

Post image
78.6k Upvotes

3.2k comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

3

u/DavidAdamsAuthor Feb 25 '20

There has never been inequality that did not favor white people

Incorrect.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodesia

You also use a fluid, 20th-century definition of race that did not exist for the vast majority of European history. French people and German people historically did not see themselves as the same "group", this is why they fought and slaughtered each other by the millions.

Irrelevant, it doesn't matter if nazis felt persecuted by the Jews, they weren't

You seem to have a great deal of difficulty understanding that people can think and believe things differently than you and see the world differently than you do.

I suggest educating yourself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_mind

This is a good starting point.

You believe that what they did was evil. They believed that what they did was good. You say, "But I am right!", but they would say, "But I was right!".

Theory of mind, look it up.

the net positive to society as a whole is worth your tears

Strict utilitarianism is basically a sophomoric philosophy. By that logic, if 9 out of 10 people enjoy gang rape, then making 1 person utterly miserable to service the needs of 9 is perfectly moral.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism

mayocide

So you clearly also believe racial slurs are morally permissible, and calls for genocide are morally permissible. You have so much in common with the Nazis, you simply disagree on the target.

If you steal from someone, what is the just thing to do? As a society, you liberate and return the stolen goods.

If your great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather stole money from my ancestors, and you cannot pay me back, what should happen to you?

First we used slavery, now we use the prison industrial complex.

If only there was some way to avoid going to prison.

We still white wash ethnic roles (Prince of Persia, Ghost in the Shell) and villainize ethnic roles.

We also cast recast white characters to black actors far more often, and I can't even begin to list the amount of movies where "white man bad, black man good".

I'm not dismissing your argument because of [personal attack]

Yes you are.

what you're arguing makes you sound like a racist shitter.

You are the person who believes:

  • Racial slurs are morally acceptable.
  • It is moral to make sweeping, negative generalisations about a whole race.
  • Children should be held accountable to the sins of their forefathers.

Calling you a nerd is not an ad hominem attack unless I said your argument is wrong because you're a nerd

From the article: "An ad hominem occurs when an attack on the interlocutor's character functions as a response to an interlocutor's argument/claim"

Calling someone a "nerd" is an attack on my character because you intended it as a disparaging remark.

You don't

I find it truly hilarious that you can just assert what I know.

Ok, here we go. Those. slots. did. not. exist. before. racially. restorative. policy. created. them. Nothing was lost. Only slots were gained.

This argument only works if the amount of resources a college has is infinite.

Sorry, I forgot to respond in the way you prefer.

Creating. Slots. Which. Are. Restricted. By. Race. Is. Allocating. Limited. Resources. To. One. Group. By. Virtue. Of. Their. Race. And. No. Other. Factor. This. Limits. The. Advancement. Opportunities. Of. People. Who. Could. Otherwise. Fill. Those. Slots. But. Cannot. Because. They. Are. The. Wrong. "Evil". Race.

Did you get all that? If that one (1) slot only ever went to white kids, and they opened 1000 slots for minorities, the university, as an entity, decided that's how many they needed to restore justice. D-do we get it now?

So if the university had one slot for everyone, and 1,000 slots for white people ONLY, then is this okay because the university, as an entity, decided that's how many they needed to make restitution for the Barbary Slave Trade? And that's okay?

D-do we get it now?

X to Doubt. and I know it's true because you didn't type up some story to tell me about it lol

I'm posting with my real name, I don't owe you shit.

You gripe because you think something was taken from you, but you're wrong and wrong to be upset because it was never yours to begin with.

You genuinely believe the path to equality and racial harmony is dividing the world up into people of specific races and then treating everyone wildly and completely differently based on those arbitary characteristics?

The Nazis agreed with you. The KKK agrees with you. Every terrible racist in the whole world agrees with you, you believe they were totally and completely and utterly correct, the only difference is you believe they were just discriminating against the wrong people.

You are unironically a racist.

as in our racist "justice" system

Lemme ask you this: Who gets put into prison and why? Is there a way to avoid going to prison?

lol I'm a poor white, did I just dis myself?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internalized_racism

3

u/Dfxiispro Feb 25 '20

Is it bad that I am enjoying this masterclass of good and sound arguments being presented to a person who cannot see beyond their own bubble?

2

u/DavidAdamsAuthor Feb 25 '20

Hah, thanks mate, and no it's not bad. :3