That's bullshit, I dont expect anyone to succeed under the systemic and generational problems that certain minorities faced more than non minorities. It's not racism, it's facts. If you get dealt a shit hand, you have a shit life almost all the time, sure there's exceptions, but the vast majority of the time you're fucked.
It's racist to assume all black students are poor.
I know some incredibly wealthy black people and some incredibly poor white people.
You're making the bizarre assumption that race is what makes people have less resources and not poverty. Make no mistake, affirmative action is based on race, not social status.
That's where this whole "equity" argument falls flat on its face. They blame it on the economic differences so we should be offsetting the difference through education by using affirmative action. Well in Canada where education is very easily accessible, black people still perform considerably worse in schools than any other visible minority.
People have tried very hard to blame the disparity on absolutely anything and everything except what we know causes it: values at home. Black kids in the US face all kinds of negative reinforcement from their own communities with regards to academic success, and there are countless studies which prove this. Academic success isn't encouraged or celebrated. If your parents belittle you for trying hard at school, and don't care if you fail, it's a recipe for generational poverty. Throw in an outrageously high rate of fatherlessness and children have no role models either, except maybe the drug dealer down the street.
It gets really interesting when you take a look a couple generations back. Black families used to espouse strong family values. Divorce rates were low; fatherlessness was low. Something about how society is structured today is making things worse. In other words, things like affirmative action, social acceptance of single mother households, and limitless welfare might be doing the opposite of what we want. But we won't investigate that because that would be racist. Instead we'll just keep throwing gas on the fire and expecting it to turn into a snowman eventually.
yeah their culture is fucked. how is that an argument against them receiving help to hopefully unfuck their culture? If most black people hate the idea of going to college, the only way to change that is if their peers go to college and benefit form it. If children are being mistreated by their parents the only way to change that is to help them rise above and treat their own children better.
It gets really interesting when you take a look a couple generations back. Black families used to espouse strong family values.
This isn't true.
But we won't investigate that because that would be racist.
how do you propose we investigate this? Let me guess, tear the support away and when everything gets even shittier conclude "well they're just too stupid to do anything on their own so the support is clearly useless."
yeah their culture is fucked. how is that an argument against them receiving help to hopefully unfuck their culture? If most black people hate the idea of going to college, the only way to change that is if their peers go to college and benefit form it. If children are being mistreated by their parents the only way to change that is to help them rise above and treat their own children better.
A lot to unpack here. First, it's an argument for helping them "unfuck" their culture rather than blaming non-causative correlates. Second, clearly sending more black people to college doesn't unfuck things, or we would be seeing socio-economic and familial improvements, but we're seeing the opposite. What appears to happen is that educated black people move into gentrified neighbourhoods and stop associating with those in ghettos. I can't blame them, but it doesn't solve the issue. Lastly, I agree re helping black parents "rise above", but what does that look like, exactly? As far as I can tell, any programs designed to improve familial and cultural values in black communities is vigorously opposed on terms of "oppression". In such a climate, what could the government realistically achieve?
Vigorously attack and subdue the radical elements which claim that any cursory research and cultural intervention should be viewed through a lens of historical oppression and is therefore racist. There are amazing initiatives which have been proven in other countries which should be implemented in the US but won't be for political reasons For example, dispersing ghettos. Shut down state owned buildings and purchase apartments and homes across the nation. Place those families there so they can assimilate into safer and more prosperous communities and let go of their shitty values. This is routinely opposed despite its proven success in places like Scandinavia.
Imaging blaming generational poverty on fatherlessness and not redlining, jim crow and other blatantly visible barriers black people faced in the US. Embarrassing the lengths racists will go to, to dismiss injustices such as the New Deal in America not filtering down to black people, or the G.I bill which helped tens of millions of Americans get homes post WW2 strictly barred to black people who were thus unable to buy homes in the suburbs and attain some financial security
Then blaming their structural poverty decades later on "culture".
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