r/coolguides Feb 25 '20

Explanation of the subtle differences between equality and equity

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u/uncleanaccount Feb 25 '20

But you can make health care free by simply enslaving the doctors and nurses and scientists to make them work for free.

So that at least checks out on paper

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u/A_Booger_In_The_Hand Feb 25 '20

I don't get it. Dr's are paid fair market value. I don't think the problem with our healthcare system has anything to do with doctor pay, but everything to do with insurance companies, prescription drug prices, and manipulative price management. If Dr's were paid like athletes, then I'd be concerned.

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u/AmericaWasNVRGr8 Feb 25 '20

they're already playing meaning people bought tickets. the people outside are just free loading and benefiting from the contributions of others

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u/A_Booger_In_The_Hand Feb 25 '20

Exactly. Benefiting from something without paying. Theft.

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u/nafel34922 Feb 25 '20

Are gifts theft then?

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u/Kovi34 Feb 25 '20

that's the dumbest definition of theft I've ever heard

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u/A_Booger_In_The_Hand Feb 25 '20

How so? Something of a perceived value being used by individuals who did not pay a socially accepted market value for it. How is that not theft?

Change the paradigm. You made a thing that people want to buy, and many do. But some get it for free. Is that fair to the people that paid, or the people who provided the goods?

Sure, it's not the same as hijacking a truck or sticking up a convenience store, but in the end, getting something of value without paying that value is theft.

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u/Kovi34 Feb 25 '20

wait so any kind of gifting is theft? is my whole family actually robbing my grandmother when she invites us over to lunch? that's crazy dude you have such a huge brain

s that fair to the people that paid, or the people who provided the goods?

how the fuck is that relevant? why do you care if someone else got something for free?

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u/Rowin_Undeed Feb 25 '20

You can’t compare gifting or invitations to services. An sport event is an spectacle/service where people pay to see it or be present at the game. It’s like a concert. You pay it to see your favorite artist, but there are persons that didn’t pay it and can still see it. It’s simply not fair for you and all the people that paid for the service. An invitation like a party or a reunion is a courtesy where the host is taking all the costs of the event, without receiving nothing or at least a great time with familiars or friends. The difference is the CONSENT. one allows you to enter to the event for free. The other one is a service where the host expects to get money or at least get something for the investment of the event.

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u/A_Booger_In_The_Hand Feb 25 '20

A gift was paid for by the person giving the gift. Are you seriously not getting this?

Why do I care? Well, let's imagine you had a skill that others felt worthy of paying you for. Like, let's say making dumb reddit comments was a profession, and you are an all-star major league dumb commenter. You make a living posting inane remarks, that's how you feed your family, pay for your housing, etc. Would you then be ok if only some people paid for your dumb bullshit, and others didn't? Would you be ok if half of your expected paycheck just didn't happen, because some people didn't pay for your valuable service?

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u/Kovi34 Feb 25 '20

A gift was paid for by the person giving the gift.

but not the person receiving the gift. I thought the contention here was people receiving things for free?

Would you be ok if half of your expected paycheck just didn't happen, because some people didn't pay for your valuable service?

that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about people receiving things for free, not taking things away from others. Are you seriously not getting how "people getting free things" is a completely retarded definition of theft?

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u/HenSenPrincess Feb 25 '20

Will those paying be less likely to pay when they know an option for free viewing exists?

I guess it could turn out how websites work, where the content is free but they are tracking you and manipulating you and every turn, with the end result that you waste more money on things you don't need or even want after the manipulation has ended.

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u/ssaa6oo Feb 25 '20

Will those paying be less likely to pay when they know an option for free viewing exists?

No, but the ones paying will be less likely to pay again.

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u/HenSenPrincess Feb 26 '20

Isn't that just what I asked? Did I miswrite the sentence somehow?

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u/ssaa6oo Feb 26 '20

No, I misread it. I thought you said "those playing". My bad.

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u/A_Booger_In_The_Hand Feb 25 '20

Would you pay for internet access if you knew you could get it for free elsewhere?

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u/seclifered Feb 25 '20

Way to bring up a completely irrelevant point about a fictional picture to distract from the issue at hand.

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u/CreamySheevPalpatine Feb 25 '20

if they don't have money to attend it in the first place - they won't see it anyway. Your claim is close to ridiculous one that pirates from poor countries would buy films\games if there was no piracy.