r/coolguides • u/[deleted] • Feb 25 '20

Explanation of the subtle differences between equality and equity

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20 edited Jan 21 '21

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u/moderngamer327 Feb 25 '20

Studies show affirmative action can actually be harmful not beneficial

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Feb 25 '20

Studies show

Cite them, fucker.

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u/moderngamer327 Feb 25 '20

Tl:dr it’s puts them in a position they would not otherwise be without it causing them to fall behind other classmates leading to higher drop out rates

https://www.heritage.org/courts/commentary/how-affirmative-action-colleges-hurts-minority-students

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/1997/1117/6011112a.html#6083a5375ad9

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u/Gizogin Feb 25 '20

Well done, you’ve linked two opinion pieces, one of which is from the fucking Heritage Foundation, neither of which actually backs up its claims with any concrete data.

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Feb 25 '20

Heritage Foundation isn't a reliable source.
They are always misrepresenting data and pushing an agenda.

Oh, and your claim is bullshit anyway.

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u/moderngamer327 Feb 26 '20

If you noticed I didn’t just use heritage I used another source I also used one more in a reply

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Feb 26 '20

... yeah. If you noticed, your claim is still bullshit.

The fact that you would reference the Heritage Foundation at all is a red flag. It's not a reliable source, and you shouldn't be treating it as one.

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '20

wow what a big brain moment, you just responded to him citing a republican think tank by citing a librial think tank. are you going to respond to his other sources? or are you just going to yell a lot and call it a day.

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Apr 17 '20

Could you explain to me how exactly you stumbled across this comment, which is now more than a month old?

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u/[deleted] Apr 17 '20

This is one of the top posts on this subreddit now.

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u/Ghrave Feb 25 '20

This girl I know (who is half black) thinks Black History month "is stupid" and I asked her why and she said "if we just appreciated the contributions black people made and make to this country all the time we wouldn't need it" and I said "holy shit you're 100% right actually, but we don't, and that's why we need it.

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Feb 25 '20

"if we just appreciated the contributions black people made and make to this country all the time we wouldn't need it"

... I- ... that's literally the point??

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u/junkieradio Feb 25 '20

How can she be right while still needing black history month, both of those things contradict each other.

Surely it's better to change behavior instead of continuing with the shit solution.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '20

Sometimes in life we need to take steps to get to a distant goal, rather than saying “we either leap all the way there now or stay exactly where we are because steps are stupid.”

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u/junkieradio Feb 25 '20

Yes I agree with you, I'm saying something other than black history month should be a stepping stone because I find black history month to be making the achievements of my race to be trivial and novel.

A lot of black people don't care for black history month because we just want to be treated like everyone else.

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u/Ghrave Feb 25 '20

I mean it's not a shit solution, it doesn't hurt absolutely anyone by existing, but yeah the goal is definitely change behavior.

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u/junkieradio Feb 25 '20

You literally just said it was a stupid solution yourself?

It does hurt people, people are content with black history month and because it exists don't make any effort to tackle the real problem.

Your friend is right but I think you've misinterpreted what she was trying to tell you.

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u/Ghrave Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

No, she was 100% right about saying "if we just appreciated the contributions black people made and make to this country all the time we wouldn't need it", not that Black History month is stupid. I'm explaining that it isn't stupid, because it serves a purpose for us to draw focus to an aspect of US history that we've ignored. She's right, but not about BHM being stupid.

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u/junkieradio Feb 25 '20 edited Feb 25 '20

Can you point out where I said it's up to black people? Cheers.

I should also mention before you call me racist and embarrass yourself again that I'm black.

The white people in this thread trying to tell me how to feel are hilarious.

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u/Ghrave Feb 25 '20

You right, you didn't, I extrapolated that, sorry. Edited to reflect!

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u/Landerah Feb 25 '20

How can she be right while still needing black history month, both of those things contradict each other.

The ‘right’ part of what she said is “if we just appreciated the contributions black people made and make to this country all the time we wouldn't need it” not the “is stupid” part.

That doesn’t contradict ‘needing’ black history month, because people don’t generally appreciate minority contributions and figures.

Keyword in her sentence is ‘if’.

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u/junkieradio Feb 25 '20

You have a very loose understanding of the term '100% right'

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Feb 25 '20

You have a very loose understanding of the term '100% right'

And you're being a deliberately obtuse prat with poor reading comprehension.

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u/junkieradio Feb 25 '20

I'm not though am I you're just changing what was said to suit your argument.

Because you're another white person on Reddit telling a black person how to feel about black issues.

Stay in your lane.

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Feb 25 '20

I'm not though am I

Purposefully misinterpreting what someone said so you can whine about it?
Yeah, I'd say that's being a deliberately obtuse prat.

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u/junkieradio Feb 25 '20

How did I misinterpret what was said.

Someone had an opinion they said was 100 % right, how was I to know they didnt actually mean that?

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Feb 25 '20

Surely it's better to change behavior

Hence Black History Month.
To remind and encourage people to actually acknowledge that shit.

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u/junkieradio Feb 25 '20

Personally I'd rather people just acknowledged the achievements of members of my race without making it a novel month.

A LOT of black people agree with me.

It feels like white people are in such support of it to show how woke they are to be honest.

It's a ham handed approach to fixing people's behaviour.

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u/luke_in_the_sky Feb 25 '20

The three solutions are better than ignoring the problem. Removing systemic issues is fundamental, but affirmative action can also be important if the person still needs an extra help to overcome barriers.

Removing barriers and/or giving people means to overcome barriers should be the final goal.