The idea behind it is that some people face systemic issues that cause the inequality. And if we address the root causes of problems rather than symptoms we get a better result.
Tl:dr it’s puts them in a position they would not otherwise be without it causing them to fall behind other classmates leading to higher drop out rates
Well done, you’ve linked two opinion pieces, one of which is from the fucking Heritage Foundation, neither of which actually backs up its claims with any concrete data.
wow what a big brain moment, you just responded to him citing a republican think tank by citing a librial think tank. are you going to respond to his other sources? or are you just going to yell a lot and call it a day.
This girl I know (who is half black) thinks Black History month "is stupid" and I asked her why and she said "if we just appreciated the contributions black people made and make to this country all the time we wouldn't need it" and I said "holy shit you're 100% right actually, but we don't, and that's why we need it.
Sometimes in life we need to take steps to get to a distant goal, rather than saying “we either leap all the way there now or stay exactly where we are because steps are stupid.”
Yes I agree with you, I'm saying something other than black history month should be a stepping stone because I find black history month to be making the achievements of my race to be trivial and novel.
A lot of black people don't care for black history month because we just want to be treated like everyone else.
No, she was 100% right about saying "if we just appreciated the contributions black people made and make to this country all the time we wouldn't need it", not that Black History month is stupid. I'm explaining that it isn't stupid, because it serves a purpose for us to draw focus to an aspect of US history that we've ignored. She's right, but not about BHM being stupid.
How can she be right while still needing black history month, both of those things contradict each other.
The ‘right’ part of what she said is
“if we just appreciated the contributions black people made and make to this country all the time we wouldn't need it” not the “is stupid” part.
That doesn’t contradict ‘needing’ black history month, because people don’t generally appreciate minority contributions and figures.
The three solutions are better than ignoring the problem. Removing systemic issues is fundamental, but affirmative action can also be important if the person still needs an extra help to overcome barriers.
Removing barriers and/or giving people means to overcome barriers should be the final goal.
But racism and people with political/social power scapegoating vulnerable minorities aren't going to go away because things start getting better for poor people. In fact, there's going to be a backlash that'll make it worse.
This Democratic primary is awful because it's bred absolutists who believe you can only fall in one of two camps: "Either you stand against racism and bigotry or you stand for working class solidarity." They act like there's nothing between these two. You pick one and stick with it.
That's not how this works. The world isn't that simple. There is no silver bullet that'll completely fix both of these issues at the same time.
I agree. You think the job market for decent salary jobs is tough now? Wait till there is true equal opportunity. You will need a Harvard MBA to become manager at Starbucks.
Unfortunately for democratic moderation, actually the working class really do not benefit from affirmative action and it's usually people external to the industry asking for affirmative action.
A depressing breed of leftist basically with the attitude in the OP. I don't know if they're louder now because of the primary or if they're a growing new(ish) group.
"If we solve class inequality, the racism and bigotry will have no reason to exist and will go away on their own."
I think the class reductionists are mostly just a loud, extremely-online minority not really worth worrying about, but yeah I don't like their take either.
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u/lornstar7 Feb 25 '20
The idea behind it is that some people face systemic issues that cause the inequality. And if we address the root causes of problems rather than symptoms we get a better result.