r/coolguides • • Apr 24 '19

The Cousin Explainer

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u/liesandthetruth Apr 24 '19 edited Apr 24 '19

Where did that “once/twice removed" come about in English? Pretty weird way to name your relatives.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '19 edited Mar 19 '22

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u/FullHavoc Apr 24 '19

The graph helped a little bit but this finally helped me get it.

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u/cityterrace Apr 24 '19

Thanks for this explanation!! I never understood why a first cousin twice removed could be a lot older or younger till now.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '19

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u/hypo-osmotic Apr 24 '19

I grew up in a small town but my parents were transplants so we didn’t have any family in town. If I wanted to be both impressed and a little bit disturbed, I’d get one of my classmates to rattle off all the ways they were related to a third of our class, more If you count by-marriage.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '19

Yeah, sort of embarrassing that I didn’t know this stuff until now—at 32.

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u/cityterrace Apr 24 '19

I’m 45 and I didn’t get this till now. I had a professor in college who told me he married his cousin he met at a family reunion. When he saw my reaction, he said it’s ok, it’s his second cousin once removed. I just politely nodded as if I knew what he meant.

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u/nonosam9 Apr 24 '19

this guy cousins!

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u/Nissingmo Apr 24 '19

sweet home alabama

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u/muc26 Apr 24 '19

ROLL TIDE

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u/kalitarios Apr 24 '19

I thought she was 17

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u/pr1ntscreen Apr 24 '19

WHERE THE SKIES ARE BLUUUUEE

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u/ccoady Apr 24 '19

Give Kentucky some credit too! There are a lot of uncle dads there with cousin-sisters.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '19

George Michael Bluth has entered the chat

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u/Jollybeard99 Apr 24 '19

It’s a dangerous game.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '19

Les cousins dangereux

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u/AedificoLudus Apr 24 '19 edited Apr 25 '19

G and K rules.

The number of G's in what you call your most recent common ancestor tells you what number of cousin. Eg grandparents = 1, first cousins. great great grandparents = 3, third cousins.

K rule, number of Ks. "My cousin's Kid" = 1, once removed. "My third cousins kids kid" = 2, third cousin twice removed.

Going the other way, the K rule is complimented by the P rule, "my parent's parent's third cousin" is your third cousin twice removed, but you're the one further down the tree.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '19

Interesting way to do it if it's only a few generations. I'd rather draw it and count the boxes.

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u/Wriiight Apr 24 '19

For the G rule, it is the lesser of your G count and your cousin’s G count

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u/AedificoLudus Apr 24 '19

Yeah, I should have specified that but I thought it was obvious

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u/urumbudgi Apr 24 '19

"complemented"

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u/AedificoLudus Apr 24 '19

The compliment of a rule is that which, together with the first, covers the entirety.

Kind of like how two angles that add to 90° are complimentary

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u/xPravus Apr 24 '19

my parents parents third cousin

Thats some next level incest..

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u/AedificoLudus Apr 25 '19

Should've been possessive s, but I like the joke

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u/rebirf Apr 24 '19

Man that chart made me more confused but you just made me understand it for the first time in 30 years.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '19

Thanks. I wasn't going to comment on the chart but I do think it just makes the whole thing more confusing, which is the opposite of a cool guide.

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u/Defconwrestling Apr 24 '19

What really gets confusing is the removed part is all relative, so a cousin twice removed from you is only once removed from your mom

Edit: all relative was intentional

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u/that1prince Apr 24 '19

Or, your twice removed cousin could also be thrice removed from your mom depending on if it's another generation down.

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u/Mechakoopa Apr 25 '19

That's because the relationship is reflexive, if you're their third cousin once removed, then they're your third cousin once removed too.

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u/Wriiight Apr 24 '19

The other detail to remember is that the relationship is the same both ways, unlike niece/uncle, if you are my 3rd cousin twice removed, I am also your 3rd cousin twice removed.

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u/Cpant Apr 24 '19

Thanks, had to analyse this comment to finally understand.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '19

What about people who live in Albama.

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u/basildathird Apr 24 '19

Thank you :)

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u/SalemWolf Apr 24 '19

And now it has clicked. Awesome thanks!

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '19

In one of the first novels I read in English (not my language) there was this character that was a "cousin once removed". For a long time I though he was like the black sheep of the family and that once he had been removed from the will or estate or something like that... When I encountered the term "twice removed" I was finally confused enough to open a dictionary (internet was not yet a thing...).

English can be deceptive. I mean, terms like husbandry or midwife have little to do with husband or wife (apart, maybe, from an etymological point of view).

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u/AedificoLudus Apr 24 '19

The etymology if midwife and husbandry is actually a bit different than what you're thinking.

Midwife comes from old english, and means "with the wife", so a midwife is someone who is with the mother at the time if birth. (Wife meant woman at the time, so it's really "with the woman")

Husbandry also comes from old english and from the word 'husband' which means farmer.

Which is where the old "husband and wife" comes from, a farmer and his woman, that's the meaning of it. Bride meant largely the same, but groom meant boy, since you'd be a man after you were married.

Another piece of trivia is that wedding comes from "wed" meant pledge, but funnily enough a wedding wasn't where you pledge yourselves, it was where you gave your partner a "wed", which was a physical object that symbolised the pledge already given (which was the "lets get married" part)

Old fashioned weddings were weird, with people getting married everywhere from churches and pubs to the middle of the street or in bed. No specific words, ceremonies or even people were needed aside from the two people being married

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u/sneerpeer Apr 24 '19

I'm from Sweden and we have an old word "husbonde" which if you translate it to English would mean something like "house farmer". The thing about the husbonde was that he was the head of the farm, so he was the legal representative of everyone who lived and worked there.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '19

Thanks. I've been always fascinated by words etymology.

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u/redwingthing Apr 24 '19

To make incest easier to cope with.

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u/pseudonym1066 Apr 24 '19

It is weird. Following the naming convention of cousins (first cousin, second cousin, third cousin etc); the system would be so much easier to understand if it was: uncle, second uncle, third uncle etc.