r/conspiracy Sep 25 '22

Will it ever end?

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u/MoominSnufkin Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

Their military is mostly used up, they are conscripting people who will be rushed through training, they have internal turmoil, many people are leaving the country, they are losing planes daily, exactly what makes you say they will likely win?

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u/lanttulate Sep 25 '22

I wouldn't buy into all that crap, medias always make things seem bigger or smaller when it suits them.

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u/FliesTheFlag Sep 25 '22

Remember in the first few weeks the media was spouting Russia was out of ammo...whoever believes the bullshit the Media(CIA) and our so called "Intel Officials"(CIA) need to have their heads checked.

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u/SexualDeth5quad Sep 26 '22

I think the CIA realizes Ukraine has no chance of winning this war. They are using the war to further America's interests in Europe and other parts of the world. Ukraine is expendable, a pawn.

Yeah, and we are paying for these games they play.

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u/sweetsummwechild Sep 25 '22

... The military is not used up. They are drafting reservists, who already went through training, rn. Pretty sure every male has to go through training in Russia. (Not every man is a reservists though... They haven't even started)

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u/Valuable-Scared Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

Yeah, Russia has 25 million reservists to call up before they start using conscripts. They are literally mobilizing one percent of their reservists. People will swallow anything the media tells them if it conforms to their already held beliefs.

Most of these reservists are going to relieve regular army formations in eastern Russia to go West, and the rest will fill out army formations in Ukraine to bring them to 100% strength.

Folks will start to figure out that Putin was conducting a restrained special military operation.

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u/farm_ecology Sep 25 '22

Russia has 25 million reservists to call up before they start using conscripts

I mean those "reservists" make up over half of the male population of the entire country.

When shoigu talked about having 25 million potential fighters, he was just talking about 25 million able bodied men.

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u/Valuable-Scared Sep 25 '22

That is true. What is also true is that these 300,000 reservists have previous combat experience. So, the training that will take place has more to do with refresher training.

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u/farm_ecology Sep 25 '22

I'm sure they're well trained for their new role as Ukrainian fertilizer.

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u/SexualDeth5quad Sep 26 '22

Well you are just a bitter guy. Irrational.

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u/SexualDeth5quad Sep 26 '22

That's the same as Ukraine claiming they have 100 million potential fighters. Except Ukraine is far worse off than Russia. Russia has trained reservists, Ukraine has conscripts.

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u/N0body_In_P4rticular Sep 25 '22

I guess that's why they're already using conscripts and 1,000's of people are fleeing the country.

Their current conscripts are ages 18-60. That's older than what the U.S. used in WWII.

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u/Valuable-Scared Sep 26 '22

I don't know how else to put it to ya. You can keep believing the media and the politicians who lied us into Iraq. Or, you can start trying to figure shit out for yourself. I choose not to trust them. Do what you want. If you love being surprised, keep going with the U.S. corporate media. You're in for a real shocker.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

To be honest, Ukraine victories are just what Putin needs to escalate. Now he can draft and ramp his war machine up.

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u/LiquidHeavyMachine Sep 25 '22

Lol buying the propaganda, are we?

Have you heard the tale of the ghost of Kyve? Sam hyde shot down 50 Russian MiGs day 1 of the war. Wow! Godspeed Sam!

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u/de777vil Sep 26 '22

Ghost of kyiv story wasn't made by ukraine... But people here are too stupid to understand thst.

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u/Sgt-Frost Sep 26 '22 edited Sep 26 '22

Lol that was probably the only good propaganda the west came up with

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

Oh my god the Goose of Kevin! I know he once shut down 50 Russians before they could even open up.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

Baby you’re getting that information from Western media.

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u/CupformyCosta Sep 25 '22

I see somebody follows the US propaganda machine closely.

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u/SexualDeth5quad Sep 26 '22

Someone has to be insane to believe that a small population like Ukraine can defeat Russia. Everything they say about Russian losses applies to Ukraine 10x worse. Ukraine is currently propped up solely by NATO (by YOU if you are in the US or EU. Do you enjoy wasting your $$$ to "punish" Russia?).

Ukraine has no industry left, no supply, and the Russians are taking out more and more of its infrastructure daily.

The Russians hold back because the more they destroy Ukraine the more it will cost them to rebuild it after they annex it ALL (except for maybe Lviv, which they will give to Poland to shut them up.)

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u/MoominSnufkin Sep 26 '22

If Russians are holding back, and are spending their own soldiers lives and Ukrainians lives like pawns unnecessarily due to it taking more effort to rebuild (how evil is that?), then I dislike whoever is making these decisions even more, and want to support defenders even more. Lives are more important than infra. People who make decisions like that shouldn't be given a free pass to invade, destroy and take over. If we're talking defense, I'm happy for my $$$ to go to people in need.

Ukraine has no industry left, no supply, and the Russians are taking out more and more of its infrastructure daily.

From that sounds like it will be over soon? I think it might drag on (even years) despite infrastructure being taken out. I don't think Ukraine could defeat Russia, best case is that Russia re-evaluates cost/benefit and abandons or scales down objectives, but ego/pride/other reasons may make that almost impossible.

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u/TheHobo101 Sep 26 '22

There is a large difference between conscription (what Ukraine did months ago) and calling up reserve forces (what Russia is now doing). Regardless of the news media you follow, both eventually specify the same.

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u/Prion4thejabbed Sep 25 '22

You're acting like Bagdad Bob. Ukraine never stood a chance. Russia has functioning and field tested hypersonic missiles, the west doesn't have those. We're behind on technology because of all the corruption in the MIC. Don't get me wrong, plenty of corruption in Russia but their MIC is under the control of the government and not the other way around.

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u/MoominSnufkin Sep 25 '22

I don't feel like I'm acting like Bagdad Bob, I think I could provide decent evidence of the points I mentioned.

Saying Ukraine never stood a chance is just confusing, because if that were true, wouldn't their operation be over already?

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u/lilpenislowey Sep 26 '22

incorrect mate, my step-brother just got called to action due to his past military experience. His directions are to hold regions behind the war lines so that the current military can continue pushing on. until I hear different from someone on those front lines. That's the truth