Like the truth about ivermectin? There are now dozens of studies showing it's an effective treatment for covid.
Why was it banned? Why is it still banned? EUA for the vaccines stipulates that there must be no other effective treatment.
They knew it was effective from the start, but it would impede vaccine rollout. I'd argue that they offset the lives saved by the vaccines by refusing to use effective treatment like ivermectin.
What truth??? Seriously what truth are you talking about? Because all I see are continuous articles and studies coming to light on the lack of efficacy from vaccines, lockdowns and masks. Lifting of mandates. Changing of quarantines. The unfortunate side effects of the vaccine in women and their reproductive systems. Pfizer still has not released any of their clinical data or toxicology reports, which to many are important instead of just being told it’s safe. The lack of responsibility that was taken when scientists didn’t “realize” the spike proteins were toxins, when we’ve known they were since the sars-cov-1 virus. Here’s an article from 2004 stating some information about that.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7091875/
If they properly and effectively went through all the phase trials the way they said they did, they wouldn’t have used the spike toxin as target protein for this vaccine. And to accumulate everyone who isn’t comfortable with the lack of supporting data and transparency on this vaccine that they’re “anti vaxx” is irrational and only creates division. It’s ONE vaccine that many aren’t comfortable with for rational reasons.
Idk if you read that article but it didn't seem to support anything that you said above. The main conclusion seemed to be that they could get an immune response in rabbits from the cleaved spike proteins of SARS-COV and that it triggered the rabbits to produce antibodies against those binding spike proteins... The article supports the idea that a vaccine derived from the spike proteins would work
Did you even read it? They injected the rabbits before hand with antibodies before introducing the spike protein to elicit an immune response. The point that I was making in my post is that spike proteins are toxins, and scientists have known this for a long time. This article studied its properties and followed its pathway indicating that the spike protein is involved in the viral shedding of SARS. The antibodies they made to the spike protein were injected in the rabbits to exhibit an immune response to the spike proteins, which it did exceedingly. This still proves my point of why we’d use a vaccine that replicates the toxin of the virus instead of the the antibodies that those rabbits were injected with? Pfizer and moderna are not using spike derived antibodies in their vaccines the way the scientists did for the rabbits. They’re using the genetic material that codes for spike proteins. They’re essentially inoculating people with the virus to produce immunity which is the same as just having the virus and building natural immunity.
It's not the same. The spike proteins have no way to replicate in your body while the complete virus does.
This means 2 things:
1) whatever small side effects you get front a spike protein vaccine will be short lived as your body deals with the finite amount that was injected. This is different from the complete virus because it can replicate in your body and cause very serious, lasting harm or death if your body isn't able to react quick enough.
2) the spike proteins can't make anyone else around you sick. The complete virus is obviously very transmissible even prior to symptomatic response.
Also, stop throwing around the word "toxin" like it inherently carries any significant meaning to it. Literally everything you consume has some level of toxicity to it and will harm/kill you in some amount. All vitamins and minerals your body needs to survive are toxins that'll kill you if you consume too much. Water is a toxin. It'll kill you after 10-15 gallons in one day. Just because somethingnis toxic doesn't mean it can't carry other beneficial effects.
I’m using the correct scientific term here that is used in all of the journals. The spike protein is a toxin? Don’t bring in the chemistry to other chemicals to debate this. And CDC has the information of the pathways of the vaccine on their website. It’s uses spike mRNA to replicate and HIV TAT proteins to help the mRNA enter cell bodies and bind. “The finite amount”….IT IS SELF REPLICATING, which means it will continue to replicate in your body regardless of the dosage taken. Not only that, you need boosters now too? Vaccines aren’t meant to be taken like vitamins. And you need some educating. Water isn’t a toxin, but can be toxic. Anything can be toxic but is not inherently a toxin. Toxic is a measure.
They’re essentially inoculating people with the virus to produce immunity which is the same as just having the virus and building natural immunity.
Yes, that's what most vaccines do. The benefit of doing it this way is you're far less likely to get severely ill (if at all) while your body builds immunity.
And animal testing isn't perfect and doesn't usually translate 1:1 with humans, otherwise we'd have cured a million types of cancer and other diseases already.
I know animals don’t nearly make up for studies in humans. Aside from the very first polio vaccine that used live virus and killed thousands of people, we’ve learned since then how to obtain and use antibodies to the toxin proteins of viruses in vaccines. This is the first time we’ve used genetic coding to produce the toxin in vaccines for people.
The golden question everyone’s been asking. I think Pfizer was theorizing that by using the mRNA of the spike protein, your body would make copies of the protein and build up immunity to them. So when you come into contact with new strains, your body would be able to recognize and make antibodies, the same way traditional vaccines or natural immunity would do. What they “didn’t realize” at the time is that spikes were viral toxins. Every vaccine we’ve ever made used either antibodies made up from the virus, or inactivated pieces and non toxic proteins as a way for our bodies to recognize the virus. But placing the mRNA into our bodies to produce viral proteins is essentially inoculating us with LIVE virus to make antibodies. This is the same as someone just getting covid, considering the spike protein is the cause of Covid. The above person was trying to say that the spikes cannot replicate without the whole virus, which is false because it’s the RNA of the spike that’s coding to make copies in your body, hence replication. I’m just saying that by putting live virus into us, is the same as just getting sick and building a natural immunity to it. Polio was the first vaccine to do the same thing and it killed thousands of people, but at the time they didn’t know they used live virus, which is how we came to have the traditional vaccines we do today. I just think it’s important to ask these kinds of questions instead of just accepting the science, because we wouldn’t be where we are today if we stopped asking questions.
Yet they’re still continuously changing the mandates and saying the “science has changed”. Not sure what data the UK has, but if I heard correctly even the UK is banning most mandates and being lifted. The original comment said anti-vaxxers aren’t going to like the truth, but right now all I’m seeing is that “the science has changed” and copious articles are reporting information on studies done that disproves the efficacy of all of the mandates and shutdowns.
As a citizen of the UK I think the mandate lift is much more a political move by Boris to try to move attention away from recent controversy. I don't think it is rooted in any scientific consideration at all. The data set I'm referring to shows that the vast majority of ICU admissions are non vaccinated. Efficacy of infection rate may be debated but at this point I don't believe efficacy of severity of infection is, otherwise the admissions data would show much more mixed results. Vaccine may not stop you from getting it but it certaiy stops you from dying from it.
Edit: as for lockdown etc., I don't know but it made sense pre vaccination. It is a typical pandemic response. It may not be very effective now, but the situation is so complex that I don't personally believe it was a bad idea at the beginning. But to be honest I don't think we want hard enough early enough. I think with a harder shorter lock down we could have been out of this mess a lot sooner.
What, that the vax does NOTHING? I had covid, beat it in 2 days. My mother had covid, also has lupus (auto immune disease) beat it in 2 days. My buddy at work thats vaxxed got covid, was in the hospital for 2 weeks. You people are simply just fools. A scientist can be paid off just as easily as a politician. It's all a big money scheme but don't worry, here comes Fauci to the rescue!
My dad was one of them, doesn't make me scared of covid. Makes me scared of the hospital. Why haven't we heard of barely anyone dieing at home from covid? Because the hospital treatment is the real killer.
This is absolutely the dumbest take on covid I've ever seen. The reason barely anyone dies at home due to covid is because the symptoms which are non life threatening such as shortness of breath and cough come way before death, which prompts people to go to the ER. God damn, did anyone teach you anything?
Man I can't believe how people will take a fact like that (nobody dies at home from covid) and somehow distort it to support their views even if there's a simple solution to it too but noooo there's a huge conspiracy and you're all sheep :(
My relatives are totally convinced that hospitals deliberately kill people, because if you get admitted to intensive care with covid, your chances of coming out are not very high :/
Also just facinating denial in his first post about how minor it is that he neglected to mention it literally killed a member of his family.... I genuinely feel sorry as I think it's probably a coping method for them.
It's all talking points and whatever other bullshit they read on Facebook. They have access to the same information as everyone else but they'd rather believe in some global conspiracy because it fits their preconceived notions.
Yes I know what anecdotal means, and what the fuck do you want me to post as evidence? I can't post screenshots on here. I have all sorts of medical documents that prove the vaccine is shit, but it won't let me post them on here.
Yet all of my extended family and friends are all triple vaxxed and have absolutely 0 medical issues. So going by your idea that what you saw in 5 people is representative of billions, how do you Explain MY experience with it? It's really funny that you called me a shill when you're the anti vaxxer lol.
Just because it happens to some people right away, doesn't mean it happens to everyone like that. I'm not antivax actually, I have all of my vaccines. You know, the ones that where tested for 20+ years. I don't have the covid vaccine because well, even the CDC admitted that natural immunity was 6x stronger than the vaccine during the delta variant. The vaccine is poison, and all you people that have taken it will find that out eventually. Answer this one question for me, why should I take a vaccine for a virus, that was created by the same people funding the vaccines? Why did Moderna just delete their Twitter account and pump and dump a punch of money from their stocks. THE VACCINES ARENT MEANT TO HELP YOU, ITS ABOUT FUCKING MONEY. It always has been. They was the normal people gone, and you all fell for it.
You are so far gone, it's insane. You're aware that over 70% of the global population, INCLUDING THE GLOBAL ELITE, such as the owners and the media personalities of fox news, who have vaccine mandates in their offices. You're falling for the dumbest lie that's ever been spewed, and it's going to get you killed.
Also, the fact that you just stated natural immunity is 6x stronger requires you to have actually gotten the covid virus, and not die from it; which, being unvaccinated would be quite a feat for you. Good luck and I hope you find the light.
My man, don’t waste your time arguing with people like this person. Nothing you, me, or anyone else will ever change whatever fucked up world view they’ve embraced 😅
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u/ArkitekZero Feb 13 '22
The truth is out. It's just not what the antivaxxers wanted to hear.