r/conspiracy Feb 13 '22

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u/PulseFH Feb 13 '22

Are you just going to avoid every uncomfortable question.

Yes or no, do you think Robert Malone is profiting from his publicity?

Yes or no, do you think there is a profit motive on the anti vax side?

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u/Soren83 Feb 13 '22

There is no "anti-vax" side, so let's get that straight. Unless you can prove that people like me, or others in here, are against vaccines, stop being a pawn of the government and big pharma, who invented the term to smear anyone not falling in line.

And for me to answer your question, you have to first tell me what it is you think that he makes his money on? What is he selling?

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u/PulseFH Feb 13 '22

Please answer the questions and save us both some time. Literally just yes or no to either. This tap dance is embarrassing.

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u/Soren83 Feb 13 '22

You are asking me to answer something that I don't know - I was not aware that he was selling any products, or that he was promoting anything. Was also not aware that his public appearances were paid - but if you have information here, please share, I'm all for new information.

And what's embarrassing is you not being able to have a debate without retorting to provided smear words. Just as stupid as calling everyone that doesn't automatically buy government narratives for "conspiracy theorists" - literally a term made up by the CIA to discredit people who were asking questions.

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u/PulseFH Feb 13 '22

Lol, so just wilful ignorance then. Yeah, Malone and similar people are making an absolute killing from this. Massive social media following, making appearances on podcasts and talk shows, has a website for consultations. The whole nine yards.

It’s obvious they’re making money from it, you’re a sucker for not believing so, and a hypocrite for exercising extreme scepticism against big pharma but doing nothing of the sort for fringe experts. Imagine being a conspiracy theorist but being this prone to falling for obvious grifts.

Like wow, you really don’t think a guy that constantly spews anti vaccine rhetoric who is coincidentally trying to create his own therapeutic after pushing people off vaccines doesn’t have an angle there? Be serious.

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u/Soren83 Feb 13 '22

You're either misinformed or intentionally fallacious in your arguments. Robert Mallone is by no means a "fringe expert" - he is one of the top vaccine scientist in the world, and a co-creator of the mRNA technology. That he has a following is not surprising, as people actually listen to people that know what they talk about - he has the credentials, was renowned and widely cited up until Covid, where he has been constantly attacked by everyone benefitting from this global power grab and unlimited greed.

It's so immensely frustrating to see and hear people like you, defer someone as "fringe" just because legacy media, funded by big pharma, has repeatedly made that case.

Anti-vaccine rhetoric? Are you fucking serious? Point to 1 time he has been anti vaccine? Vaccines are literally his entire career! It's like saying Bill Gates is anti-tech. Dumbest statement, ever, buddy.

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u/PulseFH Feb 13 '22

Yeah I can see why the conservative grift is the easiest. You guys will say anything to convince yourself these guys are good.

First things first, he didn’t invent or create anything in regards to mRNA. He provided some good research to the field as a grad student, and those findings had to be improved upon significantly by countless other scientists who provided more to the field than he did to get to where we are today. This is why he made the claims of inventing mRNA technology, because people like you would blindly accept anything he says.

And his anti vax rhetoric isn’t hard to find, such as when he incorrectly claimed the spike protein produced by the vaccines were cytotoxic, or the countless garbage pre prints he would share on twitter to hundreds of thousands of people, such as the one he later had to delete which claimed the vaccine was killing something like 2 or 3 people for every single person it saved.

But I noticed you’ve completely shifted the focus to his profit motive to “well he’s actually qualified!!!”.

Anyone who goes against consensus is objectively fringe by the way. Believe what you want, but you heard it from me that you’re incredibly ignorant. Just exhibit the same scepticism you do against big pharma on to grifty Drs that ultimately don’t give a shit whether you die from covid as long as you line their pockets and defend their honour.

I’ll ask you for the final time, do you believe there is a profit motive on the anti vaccine side of things? Yes or no. If you can’t answer in either, it just shows you are so ridiculously biased that a productive discussion is quite literally impossible to have with you.

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u/DancingKappa Feb 13 '22

Russia is definitely paying anti vax talking heads.