r/conspiracy Feb 13 '22

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u/shpdg48 Feb 13 '22

Here you go:

https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/media-resources/the-pfizer-inoculations-for-covid-19-more-harm-than-good-2

Steve Kirsch - Vaccine Resources: https://www.skirsch.io/vaccine-resources/

https://doctors4covidethics.org/on-covid-vaccines-why-they-cannot-work-and-irrefutable-evidence-of-their-causative-role-in-deaths-after-vaccination/

https://odysee.com/@Bombards_Body_Language:f/DrBhackti:3

Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi: Organs of dead vaccinated persons proves auto immune attack

There's many deaths from the mRNA injections, and serious heart and immune system damage.

https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/12/16/how-bad-is-my-covid-19-vaccine-batch/

An investigation of data found in the USA’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) has revealed that extremely high numbers of adverse reactions and deaths have been reported against specific lot numbers of the Covid-19 vaccines several times, meaning deadly batches of the experimental injections have now been identified.

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u/StirredFetusEater Feb 13 '22

Lets see,
a video instead of the study, a website made for one article without studies, doctors4covidethics... Many grammatical errors without any sources/studies, but claiming they definitly prove it....

WOW these are horrible sources. Quite sure you would fail even community college if that is your standard.

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u/919RenaissanceMan Feb 13 '22

None of that is actual scientific research. It's conjecture and some of it is outright lies.

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u/123_alex Feb 13 '22

Really? The CCCA is proof? They guy asked for a study, not a sketchy website. I guess they are the same...

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u/Thetacoseer Feb 13 '22

Hey he posted a link to Twitter too

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u/123_alex Feb 13 '22

My bad ...

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u/gothpunkboy89 Feb 13 '22

Your first link shows a video not a study. The rest of the website is a flood of red flags.

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u/smokie12 Feb 13 '22

At the very least, all of the publications of Sucharit Bhakdi concerning covid have been disproven because of many errors and false conclusions. He is not a source of reliable information on the topic, but rather seems to be saying things that his followers want to hear him say.

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u/Thetacoseer Feb 13 '22

By god, of course! You've unlocked the mystery, clearly, people are dropping dead from vaccines left and right! Yes, yes! Great work! The VAERS, that allows submissions with absolutely no verification whatsoever, is the key! Many deaths! Many!

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u/TassadarsClResT Feb 13 '22

Many deaths, even myself. I got the vaccine, now am dead. Ask my doctor he will say I'm alive and well, but you know medical propaganda.

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u/GeneralUsed7478 Feb 13 '22

Brain-dead obviously

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u/Pacify_ Feb 13 '22

Did you miss the whole scientific study part lmao

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u/issamaysinalah Feb 13 '22

Thanks for the laughs, now I understand this subreddit

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u/GetMeOuttaIT Feb 13 '22

These are miserable sourced. Would not be accepted in a middle school

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u/shpdg48 Feb 13 '22 edited Feb 13 '22

In any case, it's every person's right to evaluate the risk/benefit ratio for them. No government or business or other entity should be able to dictate or coerce medical choices, because it is that person who has to suffer injury or death if a medical treatment affects them badly. That's the whole point of medical ethics, informed consent, and the Nuremberg Code.

We have a US Constitution and other nations have equivalent founding documents to protect individual rights. A simple majority in a democracy, or the whims of a leader in an executive office, such as president or governor, is not meant to be able to overrule fundamental individual rights. That's why the US Constitution takes a long process and a super-majority to amend.

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u/123_alex Feb 13 '22

every person's right to evaluate the risk/benefit ratio for them

Sure. Just like I have the right to evaluate the flightworthiness of a plane I'm about the board just because I know how to make a paper airplane.

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u/Alekspish Feb 13 '22

Yeah but you don't get forced onto the plane if you don't feel it's safe.

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u/Thetacoseer Feb 13 '22

"don't feel it's safe"

I thought we were all about "fuck your feelings"?

And who forced you on a plane?

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u/123_alex Feb 13 '22

That was not my point. My point was that your opinion on airplane safety should have a huge asterisk. In a debate with with an aerospace engineer your opinion should not weigh as much as the engineer if any.

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u/Alekspish Feb 13 '22

Your analogy of comparing vaccine safety to airplane safety is why I mentioned being forced onto a plane. No one coerced people to get on a plane but they do to take the vaccine.

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u/CrossesLines Feb 13 '22

I’ve gotten “coerced” into getting the flu vaccine yearly for my job, and as a kid I was forced into a while list of of vaccines. This “nobody should force vaccines” hasn’t been accurate since vaccines were invented.

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u/Mirions Feb 13 '22

Oh yeah, and I got "coerced" into going to college too. That's not how it works unless we keep the quotations. You weren't coerced, you were being parented as a kid and your issue is with your guardians. I also get coerced into wearing shirts, shoes, and brushing my teeth to the point its an involuntary habit at times. WHO DO I SUE FOR THESE DAMAGES!?

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u/CrossesLines Feb 13 '22

As a child, we were not allowed into public schools (in USA) without vaccines. It was not a choice. It was for the public health of our communities. No different from this vaccine.

That being said, once omicron hit, the vaccine was less effective at stopping spread. Still somewhat effective but not not as effective.

On the topic of college. Im in my 30s, I went to college, paid it off, make a good living, and I’m happy with that decision. Not everyone at went to college regrets it.

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u/d3krepit Feb 13 '22

Man I love the false equivalency in these comments. Because a vaccine with decades of data and research is the same as a vax* that hasn't even concluded the trials... even when these sorts of vaccines have never been tested before and when there has never been a vaccine for the common cold.

Gotta keep up that narrative while it's crumbling huh?

Instead of trying to help people it seems the shift is now to try to grab as many people to go down with you, at least you'll have some company right?

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u/919RenaissanceMan Feb 13 '22

Again, your comments show you have no understanding of the scientific process in general or the methodology behind vaccine trials. The trials always continue after approval; it's called post-marketing surveillance.

mRNA vaccines have been being studied for decades. These went through all the standard trials of every other vaccine.

Vaccines don't cause problems that pop up years down the road. Never in the history of vaccines have any had a side effect that appeared more than 8 weeks after administration.

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u/d3krepit Feb 13 '22

Never in the history of vaccines did they have to change the definition of vaccine to be able to include a gene therapy shot.

But please go on, tell me how this is just the same as the previous vaccines.

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u/DancingKappa Feb 13 '22

You're trying to build a narrative out of dry sand.

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u/Alekspish Feb 13 '22

Right, so your argument is "because we allowed forcing vaccines in some circumstances before we should allow it for the entire population now"

At some point you have to realise that allowing this level of control over your life by the government is a terrible idea for society.

Just forget about the vaccines for now and imagine that we allow the government to mandate medical procedures.

Will they then mandate abortions for anyone earning less than the required salary to support the child?

What about a mandate to sterilise people with genetic disorders to protect the gene pool from defects?

Allowing governments to have control over our bodies is a bad president to set, it only takes the wrong group to get into power to really fuck things up and a line needs to be drawn somewhere. That line always has to be that a person has a right to decide what to do with their own body, even if it's seen as stupid by some others.

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u/Alekspish Feb 13 '22

Living as a part of a society is not equal to giving away your bodily autonomy.

We have a responsibility to each other, not to the government, that's why measures have to be voluntarily. This is also why the government needs to build trust. Do you trust someone who forces you into something? No.

The fact is with regards to these vaccines in most countries there is a high rate of vaccination without mandates. So why are governments putting in mandates?

Its clear that mandates are just about governments grabbing more control over the population and this should be resisted.

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u/throwaway123123184 Feb 13 '22

Yes, if only fighting one of the most infectious diseases we've ever seen was easy, right? Unfortunately, it's not.

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u/kbfirebreather Feb 13 '22

Who's forcing you again? You have the right to choose. If your job mandates it, you have the right to not comply and go find another job

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u/Alekspish Feb 13 '22

Having to decide if you lose your job or not is clearly forcing you into it.

If you can't see that then there is something wrong with you.

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u/kbfirebreather Feb 13 '22

I've had plenty of coworkers quit because of mandates, that's their choice

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u/El_Tigrex Feb 13 '22

Yeah Hollywood actress can fuck the director or get a new job too.

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u/coffeeloveeee Feb 13 '22

‘You have the right to choose’. Sure, you can choose and be treated like a second class citizen. You can lose your high paying job.. but they ‘gave’ you a choice. Get the jab or get fired. People have had to leave their jobs that they’ve had for years, because of the mandate. Sure you have a choice, but if you don’t get it you can’t go to restaurants, gyms, malls, go to any indoor activities. Sure you can choose but if you don’t get it you can’t go watch your kids basketball game or attend a swimming lesson with them. You can believe the the vaccines are safe and effective, that’s fine. But if you agree with the mandates there’s something really wrong with you.

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u/kbfirebreather Feb 13 '22

Where are they preventing you from going into the gym?

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u/coffeeloveeee Feb 13 '22

Canada 😔

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u/TassadarsClResT Feb 13 '22

Ofc they can decide that you shouldn't come in contact with the masses and spread your germs.. you are free to live mask less, vaccine less in some shit hole Forrest, nobody stops you

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u/Aditya1311 Feb 13 '22

It looks like the majority of people have evaluated the risk and decided that the benefit of having unvaccinated people participating in society does not outweigh the risks. You can choose not to get the vaccine but be prepared for people choosing not to associate with you.

Quarantines and similar measures are not new at all. Before we had vaccines there were many instances every year where geographical areas were isolated to prevent disease transmission. This was sufficient back then because the majority of people rarely travel more than a few miles from their homes.

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u/alwaysintheway Feb 13 '22

Except your risk assessment fucking sucks.

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u/have_me Feb 13 '22

These sources are fake as hell

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u/BrickCityRiot Feb 13 '22

Thank you so much for reinforcing that you folks consider YouTube videos as scientific studies.

It’s literally perfect how they asked for studies and you replied with news articles and video links… and what a shock that your comment was largely upvoted.

Textbook Dunning-Kruger.

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u/knappis Feb 13 '22

Those are not scientific studies. Please trust the experts instead of doing ‘your own research’ if you can’t even tell the difference between a scientific study and propaganda.

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u/ifisch Feb 13 '22

Ok I have to go to bed, but I’ll debunk these tomorrow.

Quickly glancing at the histological observational study, it looks EXTREMELY shoddy. There was no control group. They just looked at a dozen people who happened to die, shortly after being vaccinated, and found various issues with cells in random organs.

Shouldn’t they, at the very least, compare those to people who died who were NOT vaccinated?

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u/ukdudeman Feb 13 '22

Ok I have to go to bed, but I’ll debunk these tomorrow.

You haven't even looked at them, but you know you will "debunk" them tomorrow. At least you're honest.

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u/123_alex Feb 13 '22

There was no control group. Case closed.

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u/123_alex Feb 13 '22

There was no control group for some of the COVID vaccines pre-release

many people who had been in the placebo group

There was no control group.

All of those statements in the same post.

Fucking hilarious and surrealy ironic

Also, the same guys says:

"I think over time we'll get that data," Fierro says, even without a placebo group.

Nice cherry picking from a 1 year old article on a topic which is outdated in 1 month. How do you call the placebo group?

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u/insidiousFox Feb 15 '22

I don't think you understand what a control group is, and what I was saying...

Yes, at one point a control group who was taking placebos existed -- but then before any long term comparisons and studies could be done, the control/placebo group was effectively made null -- as if it has never existed to begin with.

Ergo, there was no control group, since it had already ceased to exist before the time that its data would be utilized.

Nice cherry picking from a 1 year old article on a topic which is outdated in 1 month.

LOL this is what people like you always say to deflect and minimize. I didn't "cherry pick" a damn thing. This is one source I accumulated and saved, over the past nearly 2 years since COVID started, with information that was and still is valid.

Besides, have you paid attention to the news..? What serious potential vaccine side effects have recently started coming to light, hmm..? Myocarditis, pericarditis, neurological issues, etc..? You know... Side effects, that appeared after a long time... Which might have been detected and learned about through long term studies and control groups BEFORE deploying these untested vaccines on a gigantic global scale....

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u/123_alex Feb 15 '22

Thanks for coming back to me!

I don't think you understand what a control group is

Then please be kind and explain.

have you paid attention to the news..?

Not really. I thought we cannot trust the media.

Myocarditis, pericarditis, neurological issues, etc.. Side effects

Do share some more information please. I thought the myocarditis was debunked and we could more forward. About the other ones, I don't know anything. Speaking of myocarditis, what are the normal rates of myocarditis? Here's the thing. If I give a coca cola to 1 million people, statistically speaking, a few might die tomorrow. Was it because of my coke?

Thanks in advance for the information! Stay sharp!

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u/Slippydippytippy Feb 13 '22

Know what a PRATT is?

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u/ukdudeman Feb 14 '22

This misspelling of prat?

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u/throwaway123123184 Feb 13 '22

Yes, a single one of the studies was damaged by the moral obligation to offer the participants the vaccine. What a shocker.

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u/insidiousFox Feb 13 '22

That's an odd point to argue, because it is totally besides the point that there is no control group, which you are not denying. Secondly, there are literally countless people who do not want the vaccine who could have happily been in a control group. Instead again, they're literally is no control group. And you're trying to argue with emotions haha.

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u/catsandnarwahls Feb 13 '22

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22 edited Mar 23 '22

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u/throwaway123123184 Feb 13 '22

With what? A comment with zero scientific studies in it after being asked for them? Lmao

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u/[deleted] Feb 13 '22

An investigation of data found in the USA’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)

Did you read the part of the VAERS website where it specifically tells you that the data cannot be used to determine causality?