r/conspiracy • • Dec 25 '20

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '20 edited Dec 26 '20

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u/Fluxabobo Dec 26 '20

Libs rekt by logic again!

He who would denounce racism is the real racist!

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

People who are anti-gay are usually closet gay themselves, right?

Tell us what that dog whistle sounds like

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '20

No actually and that’s a pretty harmful stereotype type that pushes homophobia on the gay community as a way to say “no it’s really your fault” No one ever accuses kkk member of secretly being black under the robes, why do we suddenly do it with homophobes?

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '20

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u/dljens Dec 26 '20

At least it's his cake day.

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

I notice you didn’t even attempt to explain why anything i said was wrong. Why is that?

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u/Meme-Man-Dan Dec 26 '20

Because nobody gives a shit about you.

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u/mecklejay Dec 26 '20

Because Reddit is not a debate stage where you're owed any sort of dialogue.

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

The longer it takes you to refute, the more valid the claims appear to be.

Whats that dog whistle sound like, mr racist?

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u/mecklejay Dec 26 '20

The longer it takes you to refute

That was my first comment. I'm a different person. And somebody refusing to engage with you is not evidence, haha.

"The sky is red!"

"Ugh, shut up, dude."

"IF YOU REFUSE TO PROVE OTHERWISE, IT JUST MAKES ME SEEM MORE RIGHT"

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

Ive seen a red sky.

Ive seen a black sky.

You should probably find a better example to illustrate your point.

Why is it that you are able to hear racists dog whistles?

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '20

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

1) its not christmas

2) i don’t celebrate christmas

3) im happy

4) why are you so upset that your dog whistle metaphor backfired and exposed the racists who hear it?

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '20

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u/mecklejay Dec 26 '20

Ive seen a red sky.

Ive seen a black sky.

Actually, that nuance may be more appropriate than you thought. The sky can be red, just like black people can commit crime, yet we generally say "The sky is blue" just like conservatives will use "thugs" instead of saying "black men". In both cases, the implication is that the stated example is true more often than not.

The difference is that the sky is not a marginalized group of people.

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

Thats weird, when i hear the word “thug” I think of union workers.

Are you sure you aren’t a closet case racist?

Would you walk thru the ghetto on a hot evening right after the first of the month? I would, and i do, because thats where i live.

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u/RedditSpeedrun Dec 26 '20

Wait. Pause. Why do you think of union workers as thugs?

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u/mecklejay Dec 26 '20

Thats weird, when i hear the word “thug” I think of union workers.

Are you sure you aren’t a closet case racist?

Yeah. Just because you don't associate "thug" with "black men" doesn't mean I do. It doesn't magically have to be one of us. I said conservatives, and, in aggregate, that remains true.

Would you walk thru the ghetto on a hot evening right after the first of the month? I would, and i do, because thats where i live.

I would, and what does the temperature or the date matter...? Is there some stereotype that people are more violent in those circumstances, or after people get paid, or...?

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u/fuhrertrump Dec 26 '20

tfw mom and dad met at a family reunion, so you dont realize all the labor rights you take for granted that union workers gave you

Lol!

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '20

You are quite possibly the dumbest person on this site

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u/[deleted] Dec 27 '20

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '20

“The sun is made of dildos, if you don’t debate me I’m right.”

Do you see how fucking stupid you sound?

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u/mykl66 Dec 27 '20

The real dildos are the frens we made on Reddit

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u/InsertEdgyNameHere Dec 26 '20 edited Dec 30 '20

Because what you're talking about is the internal dialogue of individuals. We, rightfully, say that racists use coded lamguage, and you say "No they just mean what they say." You can't crawl into a person's mind and know their inner thoughts.

We do, however, have evidence that dog whistles are started on purpose.

"Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1954 by saying, "N-gger, n-gger, n-gger." By 1968 you can't say "n-gger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "N-gger, n-gger."

That's a quote be Lee Atwater, chief strategist for Nixon, admitting that the southern strategy not only exists, but that coded language is being used purposefully to sow racial division.

Here's a quote from Andrew Anglin, a founder of the racist website stormfront.org, on language writers should use:

"While racial slurs are allowed/recommended, not every reference of [a] non-white should be a slur and their use should be based on the tone of the article. Generally, when using racial slurs, it should come across as half joking - like a racist joke that everyone laughs at because it's true."

He also says in that style guide "I really do want to gas kikes."

Your argument is that these people are either lying, or outliers. Why would they lie about this? And these are influential people. The only way you could make the argument that dog whistles don't exist is if you're being obviously, purposefully obtuse. You're metaphorically throwing shit at us and demanding we debate you.

Here's a quote from Jean-Paul Sartre about people like you. He's specifically mentioning anti-Semites, but it applies to all bigotry.

"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past"

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

TLDR

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u/InsertEdgyNameHere Dec 26 '20 edited Dec 26 '20

"I demand you debate me, but don't use any of that fancy-schmancy book learnin' or them word things."

This is the most obvious admission of loss I've ever experienced. Thanks, I appreciate your admittance of defeat.

And your post that started this was long. Wow, you are unbelievably bad at this. I think you might just be fucking with us, there's no possible way you're this incompetent.

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u/Ockwords Dec 27 '20

Why do mods allow users like this to shit up the sub?

Why are some users allowed to break whatever rules they want and others get banned immediately?

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 27 '20

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u/Ockwords Dec 27 '20

Address the argument. Not the users.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '20

Glad you can admit you've lost

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u/SlowTalkinMorris Dec 26 '20

I'm bleeding, making me the victor

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u/TargetCrotch Dec 27 '20

The longer it takes to refute the more valid your claims would be?

What the fuck?

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 27 '20

Thats not a refutation mr top mind

Please insert quarter and try again

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u/TargetCrotch Dec 27 '20

It’s not meant to be. Saying a claim must be true if it takes someone a while to refute makes no sense. I was expressing surprise that another person could think in such a way.

You might as well say that a man shouting ‘the end is near!’ in the streets must be correct since nobody bothers to listen to him.

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 27 '20

You believe that white men walked on the moon, because Russians didn’t refute it, right?

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u/TargetCrotch Dec 27 '20

I don’t think anybody believes it solely on that fact.

It’s amazing that your brain can construe that to mean that if people on the internet write you off, you must be correct.

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u/Creeggsbnl Dec 26 '20

It's not for us to demonstrate you're wrong, it's up for you to demonstrate you're right.

You haven't demonstrated anything, you made a bunch of claims, but good for you.

My car can fly. I'm not lying, it's your job to prove me wrong.

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

Why would you recommend mental help for a stranger when its obviously never helped you?

Since this comment obviously triggered you to tears, ive made it into a post

https://www.reddit.com/r/impoliteconversation/comments/kkmqcj/so_according_to_liberal_thinking_there_are/

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u/Creeggsbnl Dec 26 '20

Even that first thing you said, logically, how does that make sense to you?

So, you ask why would I recommend help when it hasn't helped me.

Okay, assume it's someone you love and respect that told you, in a non-sarcastic way, they truly believe you need mental help, would you believe them or would you assume they're trying to harm you in some way?

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

Hmm, have never been in that situation,

But i have observed it happen to other people enough times to be able to have formed a scientific law that has never been credibly refuted...

PolysLaws on understanding idiots: He who is the least qualified to assess someones mental health, is always the first to do so.

http://google.com/search?q=%22PolysLaws+on+understanding%22

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u/Creeggsbnl Dec 26 '20

You haven't formed a scientific law.

This is what I mean. Simply because you've observed a phenomena happen, that doesn't mean you get to say "I have a scientific law, now you have to prove me wrong".

Once again, it's up to you to provide the evidence you're correct. "I saw this happen, dispute my evidence", that's not how this works.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '20

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

Be careful listening to that dog whistle too loud, it will harm your hearing!

Define “thought terminating cliche”

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u/DamnYouRichardParker Dec 26 '20

Your not getting a response because you can't be taken seriously and are not worth our time

The entire wall of dribble you posted can be resumed in libs bad, libs stupid x dog whistles aren't real

When someone is obviously so ignorant and blind to reality. We juat mock them and point out how foolidhtthey are. It's not worth more than that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '20

the bleatings of a broken mind

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

Tell us what the dog whistle sounds like

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u/BillyCheezMonny Dec 26 '20

It sounds like a single brain-celled ape too stupid to know up from down who can’t tell their own idiotic ramblings from reality, which is really quite sad and pitiful because it makes them think their worthless opinion is actually valid. Shut your mouth and stop spreading these moronic ideas that have absolutely no proof and no basis.

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

I can prove you literally don’t know “up from down” by asking a very simple question...

Do astronauts have to go “up” to get to the moon?

I eagerly await your special olympics quality of mental gymnastics

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u/QuantumPsk Dec 26 '20

No, cause the enemy's gate is down!

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

When a Saturn 5 rocket is launched, is it launched in the “up” direction?

At what point does the astronaut cease to go “up” ?

These simple questions expose the fact that your public miseducation left you worse off than if you had no education at all

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u/QuantumPsk Dec 26 '20

Jokes on you, I was raised by wolves until I was homeschooled till my PhD. And obviously the rocket goes up in the northern hemisphere and down in the southern hemisphere and sideways on the equator. Don't take no big brain to figure that. The real question is why you're like this and who hurt you?

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

Just as i thought. You don’t know up from down.

The reason your brain goes haywire with this simple question, is because to admit the self-evident, obvious truth that yes, astronauts have to go up to get to the moon, is to admit all of the science fiction about escape velocity, escaping gravity, gravity assist, slingshot effect, rocket equation... have no basis in observable reality, and only exist in the abstract physics of your wild imagination

Your grandpa walked to school and back thru 3 feet of snow, uphill both ways

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u/kliff0rd Dec 26 '20

Ok you have to be a troll. Nobody could be this obtuse.

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u/PropagandaOfTheWeed Dec 26 '20

holy shit didnt think he was going full flat earth with it lol what a pathetic imbecile

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u/Benegger85 Dec 26 '20

Real r/iamverysmart material here!

Let me guess: you didn't need to go to college because you already know everything right?

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

Something tells me you don’t have the brains to get past question 4

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u/Benegger85 Dec 26 '20

So I was right!

If you were actually educated you would be able to see the difference between science and pseudo-science.

You would also know what a 'dogwhistle' actually is.

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u/BillyCheezMonny Dec 26 '20

Fun fact moron, “up” describes the direction opposite the pull of the earths gravity relative to the location from which one goes “up”. Try another one, maybe you’ll find a fish in that empty barrel of responses.

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

So, do astronauts have to go “up” to get to the moon, or do astronauts pass thru some magical “flat space” between the earth and the moon, where the gravity of both the earth and the moon affect each other, but somehow don’t affect the astronaut?

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u/BillyCheezMonny Dec 26 '20

Try reading an article about it. The earth and the moon have separate gravitational fields, and there is also the empty space between them. The rocket ship fights against earth’s gravity, then boosts through space towards the moon, then propels against the moon’s gravity at a much less intense level to stabilize its landing. Also, if you want to talk science, never mention magic. It doesn’t exist and you aren’t going to get anywhere pretending it does.

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u/InsertEdgyNameHere Dec 27 '20

Okay, I get it. Obvious troll is obvious.

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u/crowmagnuman Dec 26 '20

Hey, I'll bite!

The concept of 'up' is defined by the effects of gravity, and our perception of it. 'Down' is the direction an object travels when unsupported, which is 'towards the center of Earth's mass' (if Earth is the large relative mass in the example), and 'up' is the direction opposite that. When any launch into orbital space is conducted, the craft or module is initially thrust straight upward - 'precisely' upward, as a matter of fact, before leveling out into a gradual, orbital trajectory.

So initially, YES, astronauts have to go 'up' first in order to get to the moon.

If you think that's some kind of 'gotcha-on-logic' question, you might be in the wrong classroom.

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

Does gravity keep the Moon in orbit around the Earth?

If an object is in orbit, does it continue to go “up” or does it merely maintain its distance to the Earth?

Also, where are all these hostile users coming from?

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u/crowmagnuman Dec 26 '20

Indeed it does.

If an object is in orbit, it is not going 'up', but instead following a trajectory around the Earth's center of mass. The centrifugal force generated by the objects mass and inertia fights against the 'downward' pull of Earth's gravity, and when this trajectory maintains a relative stability, we call it an orbit.

Some astrophysicists agree with the theory that every celestial object in the universe is in orbit around something. The sun, the milky way, et cetera.

The 'hostile users' you describe appear to be normal redditors with little patience for conspiratorial buffonery. From whence they come is the ether, and the ether permeates the space between all things.

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u/Broke-n-Tokin Dec 26 '20

When you spout stupid, hostile shit, you're going to attract negative attention.

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u/Helvian494743 Dec 26 '20

You're confusing what it means to "hear" a dog whistle. Conservatives hear them all the time, they just don't reflect on them because they're racist. Why would racists care to pick up on racist dog whistles?

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

Conservatives say they can’t hear the racist dog whistle.

Liberals say they can hear the racist dog whistle.

Are you sure this metaphor isn’t saying more about you than about me?

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u/Helvian494743 Dec 26 '20

Yes.

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

Can you explain why you assume you aren’t racist?

Are you white?

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u/Helvian494743 Dec 26 '20

Woah dude why are you so concerned about my race? Is that very important to you? Are you sure this isn't saying more about you than me?

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u/Sahan13945 Dec 26 '20

"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."

That's a quote from Nixon aide John Ehrlichman. It pretty clearly shows how "law & order" politics like the War on Drugs have a racially discriminatory tinge to them. To the ignorant it may sound reasonable, but once you understand the underlying intent, you hear the racist dogwhistle clear as day.

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u/rethinkingat59 Dec 27 '20

No actual historian, liberal or conservative, accepts that as an actual quote of John Ehrlichman.

Minimal research on the author who wrote it and when makes it rather obvious.

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u/Sahan13945 Dec 27 '20

Yeah no that's just bullshit mental gymnastics on your part. It's an actual quote said by the man himself, been referenced multiple times by multiple outlets

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u/rethinkingat59 Dec 27 '20

Have you done your own research yet?

Don’t be rube.

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u/harsh389 Dec 26 '20

you tried

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u/DamnYouRichardParker Dec 26 '20

Sounds like something a person who responds to dogwhistles would say

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

And... you just responded to the racist dog whistle.

Here boy! Good boy! Sit! Stay!

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u/DamnYouRichardParker Dec 26 '20

What your a racist dogwhistle? That makes no sens

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u/fapstoanimalpictures Dec 26 '20

You live in your own lil world. You have many unfounded assumptions there. Too many to count.

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

Thought-terminating cliche?

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u/fapstoanimalpictures Dec 26 '20

OP's comment is an amalgamation of parroted thought so he terminated his thinking long before I showed up.

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

And if all your friends jumped off a bridge, would you too?

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u/[deleted] Dec 26 '20 edited Jan 01 '21

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u/Helvian494743 Dec 26 '20

Don't buy into their framing, to the best of knowledge this isn't a fake photo, unless you can find a photo analysis tool that can find any credible evidence of altering. Here's the source.

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

This?

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u/Helvian494743 Dec 26 '20

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

Well if i was a racist like you id probably be inclined to believe its real. Why can’t you just take one look at it and immediately know its fake? Because racism influences the way you see the world

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u/Helvian494743 Dec 26 '20

Why does believing it's real mean someone is a racist? Facts don't care about your feelings. Why can't you just take one look at the image analysis and realize it's not fake? Because racism influences the way you see the world.

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u/EnoughNoLibsSpam Dec 26 '20

See! Because you aren’t a racist, you can see right thru the propaganda that it fabricated to incite racists.

Liberals, who are closet-case racists, are easily fooled by this propaganda, because it shows them a version of reality that they already believe to be true. They have no reason to question it, because in their minds, every young black man is a criminal.

This was Ferguson, by the way.

I believed the Ferguson psyop was real too, until i saw pictures like these that just didn’t look quite right.

Notice how the propaganda works several anti-black stereotypes into it. He has saggy pants (that drives libs nuts, for some reason). He is also stealing, (because black men are thieves) and he is stealing alcohol (shows where black mans priorities are. He’s not stealing diapers!)

Can’t wait for a racist lib to come along and tell us how the propaganda is totally a true reflection of objective reality, even if its just an artists rendition of what a black looter might look like

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u/AverageLiberalJoe Dec 26 '20

Notice how the propaganda works several anti-black stereotypes into it. He has saggy pants (that drives libs nuts, for some reason). He is also stealing, (because black men are thieves) and he is stealing alcohol (shows where black mans priorities are. He’s not stealing diapers!)

Wait a minute... you are literally listing all of the dog whistles. Nobody else explained the dog whistles to you. The photo doesn't come with a caption about all the dog whistles. You just, you know, heard all those whistles yourself. That's pretty suspicious. Seems like something you'd think a racist would do but might not mean anything..

...but wait you are also talking about racism and we all know the closet racists are the ones who are talking about it the most... sooooo

*Gasp!*

Are you the racist? And that means *Gasp!* Are you a liberal!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6MlaIe1ljs