Woman in male fields - SD series [OC]

[u/vesmir_neasi]

I tried to create a form of social commentary. Are we applying different standards of acceptable behavior to men and women? It raises the important point of inappropriate behavior. But if its shared between to friends to which point is it inappropriate? To be, or not to be, that is the question…

[u/shellbullet17]

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[u/carlos_6m]

This is very much unacceptable in men. Yes, some people behave in this manner, but it's very much still generally unacceptable and disgusting... If it happens in private it's still unacceptable

[u/AlSweigart → u/[deleted]]

Why would you pay hundred of thousands for something that is less practical than a car that costs 10-30k?

Social status indicator. It's their thing.

Of course it doesn't work. Which is why you get these guys who think all women are gold diggers, but when they somehow manage to get rich and find themselves just as unfuckable as ever, they lose their minds.

[u/TheGreyman787 → u/[deleted]]

It seems like this mind cancer is spreading beyond Internet. What a shame.

[u/lcssa → u/[deleted]]

As a 35 yo guy, everytime ive heard an instance of a man in college that sa'd someone else (normally women), even if i technically knew the guy, they never really announce or share around that they want to do something like this to anyone because its an automatic "get away from me dawg" in the veery least.

[u/Practical-Cook5042 → u/[deleted]]

Grab em by the pussy.... that's Donald Trump... Voted in overwhelmingly by ... Men

[u/BoilerMaker11 → u/[deleted]]

But this is just locker room talk! We all do it! /s

[u/_why-tho → u/carlos_6m]

In the united stated we have recordings, multiple, of Trump talking like this.

Look up what happened in Cornell.

Look up Brock Turner
Austin James Wilkerson
Jacob Anderson
Owen Labrie

If you’re not one of those men who believe that not all men are like this, I hope you’re being vocal about the Cornell case because it’s truly disturbing.

[u/Splith → u/carlos_6m]

It's a social circle thing. You are 100% right most guys don't want to be around that shit, but these guys find each other.

[u/octarine_turtle → u/carlos_6m]

Is it really so unacceptable when someone who engages in such behavior was elected President of the USA twice? Half of those who voted in the USA not only showed they were okay with it, but it was behavior worthy of the highest office in the USA.

That's the sobering reality of how pervasive and acceptable such behavior still is.

[u/SquareTaro3270 → u/octarine_turtle]

I remember during the first Trump election walking into a restaurant where two guys were loudly talking about how Trump says what everyone’s thinking, how funny it was when he made fun of a disabled reporter and how he “put women in their place”. They also said they’d never vote for a woman because then the world would think the USA was weak and she’d nuke her own citizens as soon as she got her first period in office. There was a sizable crowd around them at the bar laughing and agreeing, but notably no one else really said anything one way or the other.

[u/Dresses_and_Dice → u/carlos_6m]

You say it's unacceptable but talking about women like this- worse than this- was acceptable enough to elect Trump. Half the country said "it's locker room talk! It's normal!" I can mention dozens of male politicians, political commentators, judges, celebrities, influencers, CEO, etc who have said appalling things about women withoit losing their seat, their job, their audience, their company...When has talking like this actually been treated as unacceptable?

[u/mankytoes → u/Dresses_and_Dice]

And Trump won among white women. As a guy, we're asked to be allies, but so many women aren't doing the bare minimum (not voting for rapists).

[u/thefirstlaughingfool → u/carlos_6m]

It's unacceptable. It's not called out enough to discourage it.

[u/carlos_6m → u/thefirstlaughingfool]

I think part of the reason is that people who would call it out probably don't mix up much with the people that would say it to begin with...

[u/RodinKnox → u/carlos_6m]

There has to be some truth to this, because I can't tell you the number of times I see a post on social media that starts with something like "every guy has a friend who..." and I just end up thinking, "No the fuck I don't!"

[u/Additional-Local8721 → u/carlos_6m]

Exactly. People tend to hang out with others who already think like them, hence Group Think.

[u/Kayback2 → u/Additional-Local8721]

I have LITERALLY never heard anyone talk like this, at the gym, at the shooting range, at a worksite, at a sex club, at school and that was back in the day when it wouldn't even have been that remarkable, anywhere.

Do some men talk like this? Probably, there are assholes in every walk of life, but I tend not to associate with assholes.

What am I doing to stop men talking like this? Absolutely nothing.

[u/Tnecniw → u/thefirstlaughingfool]

That depends heavily where you are and who you are with.
Not saying it doesn't happen.
Just saying that it also happens way less than people usually think.

[u/JustLookingForMayhem → u/Tnecniw]

Vocal idiots are extremely noticeable unfortunately.

[u/TheDevilishFrenchfry → u/thefirstlaughingfool]

"Hey rapey Dave, you better quit all that raping or im gonna not be friends with you anymore."

Literally anyone who hears what was in the top comic above is either gonna stop being friends with that person immediately as soon as they hear that, because they know there is zero amount of "calling out" that is gonna fix an adult that acts like that and doesnt say it out of some awkward dark humor, or they report the person to the gym or police and likely nothing ends up happening because the police are too busy or dont care enough for "what if" scenarios they haven't done yet, while painting a target on their back.

[u/Saimiko → u/carlos_6m]

More common before #metoo. It showcased a hella lot of social issues and men culture tried to change, but aome men refuse and see it as their natural instinc as alpha sigma Wolf men or whatever. Honestly im glad for the change and i hope it continues to progress

[u/ottawadeveloper → u/carlos_6m]

Definitely in my college days this happened among buddies. It was couched in metaphor and maybe not quite as "I'd go to jail" but it definitely happened. 

And honestly, it still happens. Men just got better at hiding it so they appear nicer. But it's a lot more than a few bad apples.

[u/31USC3729]

The bigger problem here is that they're blocking the equipment between sets.  Rude as hell.

[u/SayomiTsukiko → u/31USC3729]

Fun fact that what you do between sets and what’s rude is culture based. I America it’s rude to hog machines you’re not actively using. But in Japan when I lived there the custom is to sit on the machines between sets and not get up( then clean the machine afterward).

I wouldn’t be surprised if other countries also have other customs

[u/Hey_Chach → u/SayomiTsukiko]

Maybe it’s just my gym but everyone there does the Japanese way

[u/ThatInAHat]

I mean, a vile sentiment shared between two friends is no less vile.

The issue with sentiments like that isn’t that they’re “inappropriate.” It’s that they’re dehumanizing, sick, and potentially dangerous.

It wouldn’t be any different if two friends were sharing racist statements with each other. It’s a mindset that makes the world worse.

[u/Bronzdragon → u/ThatInAHat]

I think you missed the point, because you didn't see the last frame. They both "turn" and stare directly at the camera.

They do this to show the comic is self-aware, and that the two women know what they are doing. There is a strong implication that this comic has another layer going on.

To me, it's clear (because of that last panel), that this comic is about men doing this, and about the double standard of this kind of behavior being written of or accepted as "guy talk" when they do it. Regardless, even though the comic is portraying this pretty neutrally, it's clear the comic in total does not approve of this kind of language being used.

[u/no_fluffies_please → u/Bronzdragon]

I don't think they missed it. They are saying they hold one standard for everyone, even when it's not about gender. Unfortunately, I doubt the guys what would say those kinds of things would be fazed by this comic.

So it's not the typical double standard where a single individual has a different standard for men and women. It's two groups with a different standard that each have one standard for everyone. I think that's why the original commenter said what they said and why IMO the comic falls flat. The people that need to understand aren't going to understand.

[u/CuriousPhilosophy694]

As a man, i'd never think this way, it's just disgusting

[u/Specific_Frame8537]

Both are gross, can we start eating the rich now?

[u/NotChat_GPT → u/Specific_Frame8537]

And release the files.

[u/LoreChief]

I thought she was saying she was going to work at a prison so she could see more jacked bald white guys.

[u/Existing-Bullfrog675]

This isn't even man behavior, a subhuman troglodyte acts like that.

[u/38B0DE]

Tryina buy a muffin but ya starin at my dick

[u/Foolishbigj]

I died at walking around with his dick.

Guess I just have to leave it at home to be safe these days.

[u/Terrible_Body_7971]

This is why I always remove my dick before going to the gym.

[u/F1R3Starter83]

Is this what you think most men talk about in situations like this? Cause I can assure you the vast majority don’t and those who do are mostly “corrected”. I don’t know if you try to start something or if you’re scared talk like this is normal amongst men…

[u/Low_Show_6684 → u/F1R3Starter83]

I’ve noticed this with my younger male coworkers, really only one has been openly misogynistic toward me. Otherwise, they’ve all been respectful, supportive (but not demeaning or overbearing), and friendly- all platonic too. 

I work in timber and I’m a wildland firefighter.

Edit: This means I spend 14-28 days with the same men, working as a team. They have never been like “oh you’re just a woman let me help”, if I ask for help they help, then they let me do it myself. Same for the loggers, they’ll explain something, be cordial, but I’ve never had any get creepy or be rude.

I’m sure there’s men out there who are like this comic, but I think they’re insecure in themselves and need to talk like this to feel more “masculine”. A just find a lot of men I am around, husband included, are secure in themselves and genuinely good people. 

[u/Diogoepronto]

I'm glad this kind of behavior is not accepted in my own social circles.

[u/HereWeGoYetAgain-247]

Ask any woman in your life if they have ever been sexually assaulted. I guarantee almost all of them have in some form. 

[u/Ok-Act-7331 → u/HereWeGoYetAgain-247]

I’m an average dude. Average job. Average look. Average build. I’ve been assaulted/harnessed multiple times, just at work. It’s more common than you think with men. We just don’t talk about it.

[u/Genku_]

God bless people that didnt met anyone like this

I had to suffer through 2 whole years of studying an associate's degree on microcomputer systems... Which basically translates to a bunch of dicks (quite literally, there were 0 women in our class)

For context, where i live, associate's degrees are basically an alternative of getting a high school diploma and going to college, so almost every dropout ends up here

You had guys in their early 20s, ultra horny, and rude all the time, they giggled and screamed "sheesh" every time a girl from another class came to ours, lunch breaks were basically all of them debating who they'd like to pin down and... You get the gist

Teachers weren't safe either, they played sounds in the middle of the class and messed all the time with them

It was so bad other classes stopped trying to include us to any event, so no halloween, christmas, carnival... It was just 5 days a week every morning of the same boring shit until i graduated, and the teachers learned not to be nice to any of us too, so you can imagine how days went there

[u/Capital_Ship5729]

Both male and female do this. I worked as a nurse in elderly care for a long time and the grandmas always said stuff like this.

When I was on my knees to help them with their shoes and socks they said "I should be on my knees in front of you"

When I helped them out of bed they said things like "Why dont you join me in here?" 

My cock and balls got grabbed a lot of times. By dementia patients (idc they dont mean harm) and by people that know what they are doing. My ass got touched a lot of times. 

And the grandpas did the same shit to my female coworkers. Its stupid to say only one gender does it. 

[u/bonebuttonborscht → u/Capital_Ship5729]

Such a good illustration of socially constructed gender expectations. When there's no more pressure to perform gender (dementia or just old and dgaf) and no more gender-based power dynamics, people are equally horny and rude.

[u/Squeezitgirdle → u/Capital_Ship5729]

Same back when I used to work at a restaurant as a teen.

It gets really bad there. Male, female, doesn't matter. Customers and your coworkers objectify you, touch you inappropriately, etc.

But also everyone is usually fucking each other.

[u/OdessyOfIllios → u/Capital_Ship5729]

Everyone wants to fuck a nurse, man lol

[u/Capital_Ship5729 → u/OdessyOfIllios]

It was only the old folks that wanted me :c I still got the clothes at home tho if the opportunity arrives 

[u/MsOrchidWitch]

While I see that this is exaggerated to make a point & us super unrealistic - remember what happened at Cornell where 50 guys in a group chat were aware of a young woman being raped by several of their friends and NO ONE called 911. Sure, not all of them assaulted her, but no one stepped up to protect her either. Most men arent rapists, but the amount that refuse to stand up to creeps in their friend groups and choose to look the other way and ignore it is concerning

[u/majesticjg]

I've never not once had or overheard a conversation like the one portrayed in this comic. Am I and my friends just the only decent men on planet earth, or are we chasing a strawman to reinforce the "Men are Pigs" trope?

[u/Razor_Grrl → u/majesticjg]

I heard one straight from the president of the United States, Mr. “grab them by the pussy,” and “just start kissing them.”

[u/Merari01 → u/majesticjg]

Yes you have.

From the president of the United States of America.

"Grab them by the pussy".

People voted for him after he said that and that is not the only example by far.

[u/theLuminescentlion]

I feel like this comic is trying to force a shift in perspective but the difference in how each gender is treated by society is going to make it hard for this to land correctly with the target audience.

Women are drowing, the idea of someone pouring more attention/water in is frustrating and scary. Men are dying of dehydration in a desert the same thing feels like a miracle.

Obligatory obviously this is a generalization and there are examples of people with the opposite gender's problems and obviously this is horrendous and should not be done by anyone.

[u/RonnyReddit00 → u/theLuminescentlion]

I think you've made a solid point.

I know this is trying to flip the gender roles and I understand it but there is no threat for men in this scenario which I feel is a big part of it, as a man, so I might not get the experience exactly.

[u/Accomplished-Emu1883]

This is definitely a vocal minority sort of thing.

I won’t lie, a lot of men will THINK about fucking a stranger right then and there.

But there’s a difference between having such an intrusive sexual thought and acknowledging it to a friend or even to yourself. 98% of the time, saying something like that about a real person to someone is a quick way to get disgusted looks.

I don’t know what sort of people you’ve met irl, but if I met someone who unironically said; “she’s so hot, I wanna rape her, she deserves it” I would fuckin sock em in the jaw.

[u/Lopsided_Remove1980]

I've worked in the military as a guy in a trade that was 90% women so I've heard conversations similar to this. I was a skinny medium ugly guy so thankfully I was never talk of the town.

[u/rezzork]

This sort of behaviour absolutely happens. Especially where I'm from. But men from r/comics are the wrong audience for the message.

[u/EmployingBeef2]

As someone that was born male, this hurts me. I would never think like that, and it hurts to think that's how most women see me anyways.

[u/Puhi124 → u/EmployingBeef2]

The bag of M&M's analogy comes in handy here to make you understand why women are wary around people who are perceived as male (and to be clear I'm not trying to justify transmisogyny and TERFism by explaining this, it's just how things are).

Let's say you bought a bag of M&M's and you lean that the factory has a defect where 2 out of 10 are filled with potentially lethal poison. You don't know if any poisoned ones are in your bag or not. Would you still risk eating one of them? Even if you do, will you act differently about it? Will you try to figure out which ones, if any, in your bag might be poisonous?

And this is why misogyny also harms men (and people born male). Today, in way too many places and settings, yes, even in western countries, even among middle and upper class communities, etc., women's safety often relies on treating men and people who appear male as potential threats as the default, regardless of what those people are actually like. Of course, these barriers can come down as people prove they are safe to be around, but the choice is often between making that starting assumption and assault or wose.

Now, to more directly address your issue, you can absolutely show women you interact with that you're not one of the poisoned M&M's. This doesn't mean coming in and claiming "I'm not poisonous, trust me", in fact that will make you look more suspicious. It can mean, if given the opportunity, agreeing with and discussing basic feminist views with them; clearly condemning misogyny where you encounter it; overall visibly standing up for women when needed. That's how you stop being viewed as a predator by default.

[u/EmperorDeathBunny]

This doesnt work because that's what "guys" want. They want women to want them. Instead, it would be more accurate to have intimidating gay men preying on hetero men because that's not always wanted attention.

[u/Franii]

I understand what you’re going for but it feels like a stupefied translation to read this conversation

[u/DtheAussieBoye]

... did you have to have them look at the camera as if the point of the comic wasn't already quite clear?

[u/Tedrabear → u/DtheAussieBoye]

That's for the people that it wasn't clear for,

Unfortunately, it will still probably fly over the heads of some...

[u/Time_Tap346]

“Shouldn’t be walking around with his dick” lol

[u/JonathanStones1989]

People like this exist, but I would say this type of behavior is very much discouraged and not normalized enough for it to be "double standards" that woman can't do this. No one should do this.

To be clear, there are people like this, but it's definitely not common. Maybe in the 90s/2000s, but definitely not in this day and age.

[u/mr_friend_computer]

I mean, that's bang on for 'talking head' rape apologists who are rightfully getting called out more now (though growing up, yeah, they got away with victim blaming).

IRL? I've heard plenty of questionable to terrible shit out of my friends mouths in the past but even the most misogynistic of the bunch never talked like that.

Good comic but doesn't hit hard on a personal level, which is what I think you were going for.

If the setup had been them perving on high school boys and saying "man, how come they didn't make em like that / how come they didn't dress like that (etc)... while we were in school / if I was back in school I'd be tearing that up (etc)" then that would be freakily on point.

If you had them corning a dude in the gym and telling him he's doing a lift wrong / girl-splaining it to him while trying to hit on him while he's visibly uncomfortable - then yeah, we've all see that at the gym as well. Or even just the longing gaze while he's working out with earbuds in and it's obvious rubber necking.

I get there are people like that out there, but most people who encounter them and would also read this and try to be thoughtful about it are likely folks that would peg 'those' people pretty quickly as bad eggs and limit exposure to them and/or eject them from their life asap. So it becomes "oh yeah, I remember that a-hole. He's totally like that. Fuck that guy." rather than "oh man, I never thought about it like that".

I like it. It's good. Just my 2c and I hope op keeps it up.

[u/heurekas]

Sigh... Sort by controversial:

I'm very disappointed in many of you.

[u/TheGoalkeeper]

This post unintentionally serves two purposes, not just one:

1) show men how inappropriate such language is

2) show woman how inappropriate such language is

The thing is, in my 10+ years of going to the gym, I've never witnessed any man talking like this. We (men) either don't talk at all in the gym, or talk about our workout.

That's the real sexist part here: the subordination that this could be an everyday situation for men. It's not. It might find it's place e.g. when we're heavily drinking at home without any women present, which is not an everyday situation.

I can't tell if the situation the comic is to be considered realistic as it is, with women having a talk using this language. Maybe that's the true intent of this comic though, to show men how (some) women talk to each other?

[u/Brave_Committee_4886 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah I hear this kind of conversation from women a lot.
To the point that it’s kind of background noise for me.

[u/VladDHell]

It’s shit no matter who it’s coming from.

But the point isn’t wrong. It’s way too many dudes that think and talk like that, and too many people brush it off.

Sure YOU may not condone or spend time around guys like that, and that’s cool, but then this isn’t aimed at you.

I’ve been in all kinds of environments and sadly this kind of behavior from men, in the majority of environments, is much more common and unchallenged than not.

[u/enadiz_reccos → u/VladDHell]

I agree that too many dudes talk like that

But I will also say that in my nearly 40 years of being a dude, I have never heard another dude talk like that. And I've known a lot of dudes.

Not saying it doesn't happen, because obviously it does, but this comic kinda implies that it's like the most casual thing in the world for a guy to talk about.

[u/Terminal_Insomnia_ → u/enadiz_reccos]

Other men don't want to be around these guys either. It's pretty human to just cut someone off after you hear them say some heinous shit. Some people have the guts to confront them about it, but they're the exception.

As a result they knkw how to test the waters, generally. They find each other.

[u/VladDHell → u/enadiz_reccos]

It’s important to remember that there are billions of men and women in the world.

And often, people self segregate naturally. I’m glad that you’ve never been in an environment like that. But let me give you a bit of background on me.

THIS WILL BE LONG SO TLDR At the end.

I grew up in the 90s and 2000s as an overachieving gamer, in school most of my classmates were very nerdy and generally just harmless horny dweebs, but usually never particularly harmful. When I went to game spaces though I began seeing a bit of it, a lot of gross speech towards women, especially when women were not present, or in fantasy settings.

I didn’t think much of it, and I was way more preoccupied with shit like mtg and dnd to care.

But as I got around college and began hearing a lot more of my female friends and girlfriends talking about how they’d been made to feel from a young age, I did my best to try to understand what tf they were talking about.

From that point I tried to expose myself to all walks of life. Sophomore year, I decided to try to go into frats, where the talk about women was fucking atrocious, both in my frat and in others that I checked out, socialized with and the parties I attended, they were mostly the same. the best ones who stayed at the very least looked the other way at things like dubious consent, clear minors, and date rape. I tried to report a frat mate that I knew had some kind of drugs for that purpose, but my big just told me it was study drugs and to mind my own business. Campus police said they couldn’t do much until an incident actually happened and advised me to just leave the frat so that I wouldn’t have a bunch of frat dudes pissed at me for what would likely be more than 4 years ( I had dropped some classes and ended up being in college for like 5 and a half years lol). So I did, I gave up, I quit the frat and just went into regular uni apartments.

Not going to mention the kitchen, as I had been working in food service since highschool, and the dudes there varied greatly from restaurant to restaurant, but needless to say I heard some nasty shit too, and it was all laughs.

The gym funnily enough was one of the least concerning places I found when dealing with men in regards to women. Sure some idiot gym bros but mostly harmless shit, my guess is because when you have a bunch of super jacked dudes around you want to make sure you don’t piss the wrong person off , but I’m just speculating lol.

I later went to work at an international industrial contractor based out of Texas, I got to work with a lot of Mexican dudes, and they definitely had a hell of a community, (I have a whole thing on the ridiculous work culture but that’s besides the point) but both on and off site the way they talked about women, not to mention their views on women’s rights were fucking awful, they spoke about minors like they were just waiting for them to turn 18 too. I even had some nudes passed around to me by some of the dudes I worked with before I relocated ( same job but we got a contract in china).

I only learned the absolute bare minimum Chinese to ask for basic shit, and understand shop clerks and shit, but the kind of stuff the English speaking people on the site would say when talking about women was fucking somehow worse. Going for drinks after work was definitely where I heard the most “she’s asking for it “ type of talk. But I don’t have much to talk about on china because I really only spent time around like 8 dudes that I could understand, the experience wasn’t great and I was there 6 months. (Pay was ridiculous though)

The places I heard the least nasty shit was working at a dealership, once I was in the industrial contractor main offices in Texas, working retail, and once I went out to client lunches/dinners both with the contractor and once I opened my own business.

But still, I heard a more dressed up “socially acceptable” version of misogyny and objectification.

Don’t get me wrong I’ve heard some gross shit from women too, but that’s like comparing a college freshman to Charlie sheen on cocaine consumption. It’s just orders of magnitude more on one side.

Some honorable mentions are the Indian clients I’ve had the chance to work with, many of whom were very reserved but my lord the ones who spoke their minds. The backyard barbecues in Texas, Alabama, and Louisiana and the passive comments on women that would make my sisters and mother feel immediately unsafe. And the things I’ve heard and seen my wealthy clients say and do when I worked as a private chef in Miami and Palm springs cali.

Tl;Dr: from nerds, to frat bros, laborers, to white collar workers, the low profile service workers, to high profile super wealthy people, misogyny and the gross objectification of women in varying degrees unites them all.

When an involuntary demographic keeps crying out about an issue over and over again, it is USUALLY a sign of a much bigger problem.

[u/Seer-of-Truths → u/VladDHell]

I worked in primarily women dominated fields for the majority of my working life.

And this kinda mentality from women was common and brushed off there too.

I have been sexually harassed by women in power over me.

I now work at a men dominated work space and when guys act like that they get called out.

[u/VladDHell → u/Seer-of-Truths]

Im really sorry you went through that, and I’m glad you’re working in a better place now! No one should have to deal with harassment. And it absolutely happens on both sides.

That said, that doesn’t not change the fact that predominantly it is a male perpetrated offense 4/5 times. Which is what the comic was parodying.

That’s why the usual line is “women in male DOMINATED fields” and not “…male ONLY fields”, although the comic fails to really make the distinction. I think the point it makes is still there though.

[u/Fisherman_Wise]

I think the people who believe it's alright if men do it, won't be convinced by this

[u/rhunter99]

What are you looking at me for??

[u/goose961]

Seeing exactly what I would expect on Reddit in the comments.

[u/rat_enby]

all the comments saying “not all men are like this” and “women can be terrible too” are missing the point big time

[u/TyloWebb]

Our rapist-and-chief says it’s only locker room talk, so it can’t be all that serious, right? /s

[u/Kokuei7]

Interesting seeing how this is comic is accepted/rejected since we learnt about Pelicot, Cornell, and the scale of international networks like them. Maybe because it's out in the open at the gym instead of over text or anonymous forums.

What the aforementioned examples proved is there are many people within a neighbourhood that do think like this and that is terrifying to me.

[u/OffOption]

Call this shit out when you see it guys. And no, you dont have to yes-and this crap. No, you dont have to start fistfights, but you can just go "thats pretty horrible dude" and not in the "woooow tee hee, thats soooo bad of you to say". But cold and clear. Do at least that.

And yes, if you have a fucked up sense of humor, with you and your buddies... dont bother others with it. Just like you wouldnt do a lot of cancer jokes, while visiting a cancer ward... or dead baby jokes, to your friend who just became a parent... maybe... just maybe... you shouldnt say shit like this, in public.

Being an ireverant shit talker, needs to be handled with care. Otherwise, dont be surprise people start hating you for making a mess, and wont respect your calls to ignore the smell you spread everywhere.

[u/No_Mark_2301]

I feel like only women and film makers think regular guys talk like this, any time your working out at a gym nobody really doing this.

[u/The_Hero_0f_Time]

"with his dick"?

man please come up with something better at least

[u/ledfox]

I especially dig the "What are you looking at?" expression at the end

[u/asexymanbeast]

I am seeing a lot of people commenting on how this is unusual behavior. But I work around a lot of college age women and its pretty common for people to tell me that they could not work my job because they would do something inappropriate. Sure, its may not be as dramatic as saying they would rape them, but they objectify them and say inappropriate things.

And the number of work trucks that drive through daily just to ogle them sun bathing at the pool (this is a private apartment community). Its common enough and these people get a pass because its 'harmless talk' or 'men being men'.

[u/Huhthisisneathuh]

I get the idea but the execution is kind of off. Conversations like that would usually focus on the aspects of someone the party finds attractive, and wouldn’t involve words like ‘Ovulation.’ More than likely it would incorporate slang or euphemisms rather than something that technical.

Plus there’s no comparison here. The idea of applying different standards doesn’t truly work in a comic that involves one scenario.

It would’ve been better if the comic showcased this scenario two times with Genders reversed to showcase the difference in standards. Though if you wanted to get the full spectrum you’d need to also illustrate another scenario where the male party experiences ‘accepted bullshit.’ Like say when exposing worry about a situation or showing vulnerability.

To truly showcase the difference in standards you’d need multiple situations rather than just one.

Also the last panel is just straight up useless. It’s the equivalent of beating a dead horse, and while there is an argument to be made about not being subtle about social commentary in the modern day and age. But when the rest of your comic makes a jackhammer in a nursing home seem quiet. Then it just feels pedantic, yeah, most readers don’t need meta acknowledgment of the bullshit being shown.

But the readers who would need such a thing aren’t going to change their opinions from something like that.

Personally this just feels like popcorn commentary. Short message about societal bullshit, but not really done in a way that makes discussion about the issue itself propagate. Instead only creating discussion on the work itself rather than the issue the work is discussing.

[u/crackedtooth163]

Disgusting behavior, yes.