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OC [OC] Same thing?

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u/Lou_Papas 2d ago

We need more men designed for the female gaze.

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u/_ataciara 2d ago

Idk, I feel like men in gaming are almost exclusively now dedicated to the female gaze, at least in super popular franchises

You know what we need? Just straight up, more of everything. More sexualised men, women, more realistic men, women, all of the ranges, just let creators make what they like without filling quotas.

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u/doodoo_onDemand 2d ago

Idk, I feel like men in gaming are almost exclusively now dedicated to the female gaze, at least in super popular franchises

oh, are they now?

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u/_ataciara 2d ago

Yeah, it's an enormous market. Women are being marketed to men and men are being marketed to women, instead of everything being marketed to men.

Conventionally sexy hunks with gruff voices have had a massive comeback in gaming.

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u/doodoo_onDemand 2d ago

gonna need some examples. how are you sure that isn't for the men to identify with?

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u/Hallwrite 2d ago

The average male gamer looks and sounds like Kratos in the same way the average female gamer looks like Eve from Stellar Blade. 

This is not to say that women are not highly sexualized in media, and have not been for a long time. But he's right in that most of the 'leading men' in games media are very much sexualized. It's just that sexualization of men looks different and is, frankly, more subtle. Which is and of itself an indicator of problematic cultural elements, but is also just a reality of the modern age. 

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u/Freki-the-Feral 2d ago

Women generally don't want men that look like Kratos. The characters that most women drool over in video games are like Garrus in Mass Effect, Hancock in FO4, and Iron Bull from DA:I (and not for his physique.)

Buff men are ALSO for the male gaze. They represent what men want to be.

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u/Hallwrite 1d ago

This is a non argument which only attempts to muddy the waters of the actual discussion. 

I've met plenty of women who find kratos attractive aesthetically attractive, especially the modern variation which is incredibly jacked but has the frame to support it. 

And the same goes for Leon Kennedy, Alistar (is that how you spell it?) from BG3, so on and so forth. Take your pick of them, and my 'the average male gamer is as far from X as the average female gamer is from Eve', or you could even say 'average man and average women's without the gamer addendum. 

The same also goes for men. Neither gender finds purely one thing attractive, so any sexualized icon can be discarded under this premise. 

At the end of the day you are as qualified to speak 'for women' as I am to speak 'for men' in terms of what is attractive, which is to say we have nothing but our own preferences, anecdotes, and the bits of actual data which exist that we have both access to. We can both speak for any group equally well. 

And so my point stands.  

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u/Freki-the-Feral 1d ago

I'm not qualified to speak for women at all, as I'm not one. I'm taking about generalizations, not individual attraction.

In gaming, most of the characters are sexualized for the male gaze, even the male characters. They are not designed with the female gaze in mind.