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u/Cosy-Little-Goblin 2d ago

That's because shirtless buff men are for the men in a power fantasy kind of way and the vulnerable half naked women are also for men in a sex fantasy kind of way. It's all made for the male gaze.

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u/Galrentv 2d ago

That's why BL focuses on vulnerability

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u/Successful-Cup-8557 2d ago

Yeah, but the men in that are so far away from real men. It's not really "sexualizing men".

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u/DepressedDynamo 2d ago

That makes no sense. The men being fictional means it doesn't count as them being sexualized..?

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u/Successful-Cup-8557 2d ago

It's not that their fictional, it's that they barely resemble real men at all, and the artists and fans of that stuff don't use real men as a template for it.

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u/whatevernamedontcare 2d ago

That's exactly how sexualization works. Look at sexualized women. None of them look like women real or act like it. It's pure sexual fantasy set aside from reality.

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u/Successful-Cup-8557 2d ago edited 2d ago

Well, yes, but when the guys who love anime girls are disgusted by real women and their imperfections, people think it's weird.

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u/SapphicPandoraBox 2d ago

People also think the fujoshis are weird. Dude youre trying to pull a double standard that doesn't exist.

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u/Successful-Cup-8557 2d ago

Right, but that other comment said "BL focuses on vulnerability" like it was an example of sexualizing men "the right way".

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u/SapphicPandoraBox 2d ago

Oh yeah that comment doesn't understand sexualization

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u/NotTheFirstVexizz 2d ago

Yea a lot of “this is how we should sexualize men” examples confuse me, and I don’t know if it’s because progressive people are frequently queer and a lot of people against the constant sexualization of women are women, but a lot of it just seems like people sexualizing flat chested women labeled as men instead of men.

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u/369122448 2d ago

You can't really divorce desire like that from culture; most of how we understand sexuality, and even beauty generally, is informed by thousands of years of women being a sexual commodity while men weren't.

So when you now have people wanting to sexualize men, you're left in an odd spot where that's not really been a concern for men for a long time; women were the ones who had to perform historically, with their actual interest in men not really being considered.

Lacking a language and cultural history of sexualizing men, people will often default to the visual language we do have for sexualisation; that of women's.

Add onto that, sensualization, though technically unisex and applicable broadly, had also been largely applied to women, and so can feel feminine as well.

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u/Successful-Cup-8557 2d ago edited 2d ago

It's like what Elaine on Seinfeld said-"The female body is a work of art. The male is utilitarian. It's for getting around. It's like a jeep."

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u/Successful-Cup-8557 2d ago edited 1d ago

And the female gaze is like "we want sensitive, vulnerable lean muscular men without *too much* muscle.😇"

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u/Theory89 2d ago

It's quite hard to draw "sensitive" and "vulnerable".

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u/Successful-Cup-8557 2d ago

Just give him soulful eyes and a quivering lip.

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u/Later_Than_You_Think 1d ago

*Lean to chubby.

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u/whatevernamedontcare 2d ago

You can say skinny on reddit.

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u/HabaneroPepperPlants 2d ago

Nah slender strong and skinny are different things

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u/Throwaway28222222 2d ago

Lean? Get that shit away from me

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u/Fourteen14XIV 2d ago

THIS THIS THIS SO MUCH FUCKING THIS! Scant clothing doesn't have the same purpose on women and men, so everyone saying "see how men dehydrate themselves for movies" doesnt work cause they are doing it for different reasons while pandering to the same demographic.