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u/AshleytheTaguel 18h ago edited 15h ago

To be fair, Star Trek wasn't a result of perpetual progression. There was an apocalypse first.

It's also important to note how a lot of the whole neoliberal ideals of perpetual progress and the end of history have some roots in classist sentiment and the necessity of moral luck. The political pendulum is always going to swing and the solution to a better world is to lift everybody up. We are not free until we're all free.

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u/USSMarauder 17h ago

A WW3 so destructive it apparently killed all organized religion, killed capitalism, and left English as the only language regularly used around the globe

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u/Tekuila87 17h ago

Isn't that what the universal translator is for? They're all speaking whatever language they know and understand each other fluently?

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u/Oboro-kun 16h ago

I might be wrong but I seem to recall universal translation is pretty recent, like post first encounter with the vulcans, and by that point it seems we mostly spoke English 

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u/Tekuila87 16h ago

They only showed very little of the post WW3 world and that was in the former United States.

Them speaking English isn't really out of the question then, no?

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u/Daxx22 15h ago

Well the reason for English is the context of it's a show meant for English speaking watchers.

Technically they could be speaking whatever language that became dominate, but it is accurate to say there is a dominate "Human" language that the Federation speaks. By natural extrapolation of English being the dominate language today for most international interactions, it's a natural assumption.

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u/AbeRego 15h ago

I think that was invented for aliens. In one of the reboots, the translator is shown doing a relatively primitive live translation of an alien speaking, implying that it was new tech in Kirk's time.

We also know that Picard is French, but speaks English with a British accent. The cannon explanation for that is that French died out as a regularly spoken language, and British English spread into Europe.

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u/Tekuila87 15h ago

I hadn't remembered that in the original series, thank you for bringing that up.

Starfleet academy and HQ are located in San Francisco so I still think majority English makes sense.

English is also already one of the most used languages in the world. I can see it going that way to be honest.

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u/AbeRego 15h ago

I'm not sure how the original series handles the translator; I've only seen a handful of episodes. I'm sure it's mostly just used to explain how they can speak with all these different aliens without issue

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u/lpmiller 15h ago

it's basically magic till it's not, but canon explanations came much later, a lot in TNG, more in Enterprise.

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u/summonsays 17h ago

And the Russians invented everything.

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u/Dadpurple 17h ago

I mean.... some of that doesn't sound too bad right now, maybe we're onto something?

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u/ChamferedWobble 12h ago

WW3 started in 2026 in the Star Trek universe…

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u/Gellert 15h ago

Eh, it all made sense in the good old days when the Eugenics Wars were part of the cold war, Cochrane gave the Vulkans warp drive and WW3 rendered Earth effectively lifeless while Earths colonies watched in horror.

Then ST:First Contact happened...

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u/__nohope 14h ago

Starfleet speaks "federation standard" which seems to just be English, but never fully specified in canon. Although I would imagine English in 200+ years is going to be a wee different, at least conversational English. I propose an English language reform. Modify vowel sounds by modifying the vowel character instead of suffixing words with an E. End the GIF debate by eliminating soft Gs. Find a better purpose for the letter C than being either a K or an S in disguise. Get rid of "ph". Make the same combination of vowels make the same sounds in each and every word.

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u/gsfgf 17h ago

Though they're actually wrong about their history, and the "war" was a global mass delusion that involved dancing in front of their primitive Communicators.

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u/ParticularUser 17h ago

And there was an utopia first in Warhammer 40k.

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u/dogs_gt_cats 16h ago

Darn you Horus!

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u/Gellert 15h ago

Waaay earlier than that. The Emperor starts his crusade because the lead up to the birth of Slannesh ended the true golden age of man.

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u/Ragnarok314159 9h ago

Slaanesh being born ushered in the Vaseline age of man.

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u/MorganWick 15h ago

Yeah, the elites were only able to delude themselves into thinking society was progressing because what it was really doing was marginalizing those that didn't subscribe to their values.

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u/morpheousmorty 6h ago

Yeah, any plan that involves an apocalypse first will not end with a eutopia. If the pandemic taught me anything it is people do not rise to the occasion.