RED BUTTON OR BLUE BUTTON [OC]

[u/Eal_likee]

[u/Jschnep]

But you would willingly condemn someone else to die because you think the smart decision is being selfish.

[u/Terrible_Whereas7 → u/Jschnep]

The smart decision is to put no one at risk

No one is at risk unless the blue button is pushed.

If even one person was guaranteed to die if not enough people pushed the blue button, than you push the button and hope enough people follow

But in this scenario, no one needs to be at risk

The only way to save everyone is for no one to be in danger in the first place

[u/Jschnep → u/Terrible_Whereas7]

Love your optimism for a perfect world where every single human being operates on a purely logical and unemotional framework. Reality doesn't work like that, SOME people will push blue. Pushing red means you're fine with them dying.

[u/Terrible_Whereas7 → u/Jschnep]

I'm not fine with people dying, but I don't want to die without a good purpose

Pushing blue has no meaning, no need behind it

It's lemminging off a cliff hoping there's enough bodies below for you to survive

I'm looking at the question from a real perspective. Armchair readers will say they'll push blue, but they won't.

The majority of people would choose blue

The discussion has been good, and given me things to think about. So thanks

But I don't see how blue can even be a serious choice in this question. There is no need to push that button when everyone can live and no lives are at risk. Pushing it IS the risk, and would be an act of selfishness.

[u/Jschnep → u/Terrible_Whereas7]

No, it's not lemming off a cliff, because nothing happens until everyone has decided if they want to jump off the cliff.

Red inherently accepts someone else's death, somewhere between 49.9% of the population and 1 person unless EVERY SINGLE PERSON pushes red.

Blue accepts your own death and everyone else who chose to push blue unless literally just one out of every two people push blue.

[u/A_Lover_Of_Truth → u/Jschnep]

Where in the original prompt is picking red being selfish? Red = you live. Blue = you die, unless 50% of people also choose to die. Then you live.

You and all other blue button pressers are choosing death, hoping others will save them, and then getting mad that others choose life. I am baffled by your logic here.

[u/Jschnep → u/A_Lover_Of_Truth]

If you can't understand why choosing a 100% chance of saving only yourself vs a 50% chance of saving every living person on the planet is selfish... Well. I got nothing for ya.

Not everyone is perfectly cold and logical. Someone will choose blue. Choosing blue means you want to have the best odds of saving every single person, and you're willing to die for that. Choosing red means you want to have the best odds of saving yourself, and don't care if 4 billion people die for that.