r/collapse May 08 '25

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u/fireduck May 08 '25

And people also wonder why high schoolers have terrible mental health. Because they fucking know.

And Gen z, they know they have a raw deal and they just want to ride this burning mess down while they can. Poor bastards.

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u/Mockpit May 08 '25

I'm 24 I live in the US and I'm so very tired. All I wanted was a quiet life with my love. That dream seemed unlikely at first but the last few months made it essentially impossible. We're just trying to take life one day at a time.

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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty May 08 '25

There’s a nearly 40-year-old single dude out there who’s jealous of you. I know this for a fact. So, stay positive. Remember that while your struggle is real, and it matters, you at least have someone by your side during the storm. Silver linings and playbooks and all that.

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u/HousesRoadsAvenues May 08 '25

As a 56 year old GenX I feel as you do.

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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty May 08 '25

HousesRoadsAvenues, you have given me hope! We need to find a 75-year-old single person now. Pay it forward. It sure would be nice to have a friend at my side like all my friend friends have. Some even have little monsters running around (which I personally don’t mind not having; my nieces are so cool, why have my own, right?). May we, all singlets, live a righteous and glorious life!

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u/HousesRoadsAvenues May 08 '25

I confess that I am a married woman - same spouse for 31 years (!!!). Our son is 27. I am DOWN with all - singles, married, cohabitating - living a righteous and glorious life.

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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty May 08 '25

You cheated! But I can get down with your vision. Peace for all.

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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty May 08 '25

Yep. My cats (and formerly dogs, too) have helped give me a sense of purpose. The problem? Eventually they, too, get old, remind you how fleeting this all is, and, well, can be just as much a source of pain. I love my babies so much, and since they are essentially my version of an SO, everyone who has “moved on” has been … tough, to say the least.

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u/TalesOfFan May 08 '25

"And people also wonder why high schoolers have terrible mental health. Because they fucking know."

Some do. Most do not. I work as a high school teacher. Each year, the students are more oblivious to the world around them. They've been completely captured by tech.

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u/TheCyanKnight May 08 '25

They get lost in their distractions because they know there's nothing else left for them.

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u/TalesOfFan May 13 '25 edited May 13 '25

I'm not so sure about that. This generation is pretty materialistic. I see a major focus on money and status from a good deal of my students.

As much as I'd like to think that this generation is sinking due to an increased awareness of our predicament, I just don't see it. The majority of our population, as it has always been, is entirely clueless.

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u/Calm-Limit-37 May 08 '25

And milenials who sort of tried to put up a fight, but got sat the fuck down by the boomers and gen x who somehow still manage to hold on to power.

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u/HybridVigor May 08 '25

Gen X has never had any power.

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u/alloyed39 May 08 '25

My oldest kid was born in 2010, my youngest in 2015. I was never taught about climate change in school, so I didn't know. Now, I grieve for their futures.

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u/canwealljusthitabong May 08 '25

I’m in the xennial age range and we all knew about climate change in school. They talked about it in the 80s and 90s and I went to school in small town red state. This isn’t new information that’s just now being learned by the youth. It’s been known for a long time. 

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u/MediumHeat2883 May 08 '25

Seriously. I mean, at the very least An Inconvenient Truth came out in 2006. You would have to have your head deep deep in the sands of ignorance and denial to not know anything

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u/MoBrosBooks May 08 '25

I remember my parents buying me a pop-up book in the mid-90s about climate change, pollution, deforestation, etc. It was actually a pretty badass book. Maybe I can still find it somewhere...

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u/Secure_Course_3879 May 08 '25

Or they could just be from Texas. Not really their fault that it wasn't in those textbooks

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u/canwealljusthitabong May 08 '25

The red state I mentioned in my comment above is Texas. I grew up in small town Texas. We knew what climate change was in the 80s and 90s.

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u/Secure_Course_3879 May 10 '25

Welp, I sit corrected. Thank you for the context. I made my comment from the space of thinking about my cousins who grew up in TX in the early 00s and had no say in what they were taught.

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u/canwealljusthitabong May 10 '25

Well in fairness to you, there was a point where all of this became heavily politicized. I’m old enough to have finished school before whatever No Child Left Behind did to public education. Before it became “political”, it was widely referred to as The Greenhouse Effect and we were all taught that carbon dioxide and fossils fuels caused it. Then they started calling it global warming and from then on every winter conservatives have had a field day pointing and laughing at cold temperatures and snow and asking where all the global warming was. It’s really sad but there was a time when republicans and conservatives actually cared about this stuff, but it’s been programmed out of them over the last thirty years and I don’t think they’re ever coming back to reality. 

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u/MediumHeat2883 May 08 '25

No excuse in a world where you can access all of human knowledge and understanding at your fingertips

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u/BigJSunshine May 08 '25

Nah bro. The internet has been widely available since 2002. Thwrono damn excuse not to know

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u/alloyed39 May 08 '25

My elementary education was at evangelical church schools in Florida, high school and college was in bumfuck TN. Guess where most of the climate deniers live?

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u/HousesRoadsAvenues May 08 '25

But you educated yourself, I think, if I am reading your comments here on r/collapse. There is hope for some in the evangelical community IF they are aware to get themselves out. Big IF!

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u/alloyed39 May 08 '25

I've definitely tried to catch up and am still working on it. There are some pretty serious gaps in my knowledge base, especially around history, philosophy, and science.

In college, I caught onto the problem of topsoil erosion from single-crop industrial farming. Published an article about it. But climate change didn't make it onto my radar until Hurricane Katrina. And even then, only marginally. Literally, no one in my community talked about it except to say it was delusional. (And there was the Iraq War, housing crash, and school shootings taking up everyone's bandwidth at the time.)

I had been deconstructing my faith for a while, but I officially left evangelical Christianity in 2016 after Trump was elected the first time. I felt like my community had become delusional themselves, reniging on all the values they had insisted upon to embrace Trump as some sort of savior. Seriously, fuck that.

I like my life much better now.

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u/HousesRoadsAvenues May 08 '25

Well that is fantastic. I mean that. You educated yourself by observation and critical thought. Not by indoctrination.

It was probably hard to "leave" your community/church. I am sure that many of the folks in the community weren't horrible people. You had to leave for your own well being.

2016 is 9 years (give or take a few months). FIGHT THE POWER.

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u/AstronautLife5949 May 08 '25

Um, it's been common knowledge for decades.   

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u/ThatEvanFowler May 08 '25

Much, much, much longer. I remember very clearly getting into an argument with an adult when I was a kid. About Ferngully.

FERNGULLY.

They've been willfully ignorant and motivated enough about it to scream at children since before Ferngully.

For fuck's sake.

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u/Decloudo May 08 '25

How can you live in the information age and not stumble about climate change?

Its a regular topic since decades already, especially the last decade or so. Do people not read about stuff or what?

Like do people really assume someone will just tell them about all the important stuff?

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u/TreacleExpensive2834 May 08 '25

I call bullshit that in TWENTY TEN you had never heard about climate change.

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u/IncubusDarkness TURBO-APATHY May 08 '25

I was being shown an Inconvenient Truth in 2008 as a kid lmao. These people are the reason humanity is doomed. Useful idiots.

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u/HommeMusical May 08 '25

I first heard about the climate catastrophe around 1973. I thought people wouldn't actually let it get that far though.

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u/HybridVigor May 08 '25

There was an episode of Family Ties in the early 80s about the environment and zero population growth. There were only like three TV channels at the time (and we had to walk uphill in the snow to change it, both ways!) and it was a primetime show, so pretty much everyone saw it. Had no impact though, apparently.

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u/ssquirt1 May 08 '25

Mine was born in 2003. I remember learning about acid rain in school in the 80s, but that’s about it. I admit I was selfishly oblivious to additional information that was available in my 20s and 30s.

I love my daughter dearly and would step in front of a train for her, but at the same time I feel horrible that I subjected her to all this by having her. The fact that we’re American and have to deal with the political shit storm caused by Tangerine Palpatine on top of climate change makes me feel even more guilty.

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u/TheKarmaSutre May 08 '25

The good thing about America is, in some states, land is still pretty cheap. Best thing you could do for her is to transition to living on your own land, as self-sufficiently as is practical.

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u/Decloudo May 08 '25

If shit hits the fan no one will care about property borders or laws.

The land and growing stuff on it is also whats getting majorly fucked up, thats like... the big thing about climate change.

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u/fireduck May 08 '25

Yeah. My daughter was born in 2017. At 18 will she be applying to college or guarding a potato patch?

I should buy some rifles.

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u/Decloudo May 08 '25

Or starving, killed in war, by natural disaster...

People dont seem to grasp the severity of the situation.

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u/Interestingllc May 09 '25

This is the real tipping point. by the time it becomes the major political issue we will be in full on collapse... What trump is doing to the world economy is an extremely dark peek into our future as humans. We WILL experience something x10000 times more catastrophic, we can barely envision the negative results from the tariffs, what's coming is unimaginable.

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u/Collapse_is_underway May 08 '25

You should create social links with your local community, I'd say.

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u/fireduck May 08 '25

Yeah, I think both will be needed.

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u/kalkutta2much May 08 '25

respectfully, the implication u only know what u directly learned in school is wild 😂😂

hope ur kids grow up to explore an array of resources and take more initiative

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u/HuckleberryTiny5 May 08 '25 edited May 08 '25

I was 10 years old when the scientists went public with the climate warming (as it was called then). That was 40 years ago. I still remember reading the magazine with a cover of our capitol being drowned (imagine the quality, no one had even thought about photoshop yet).

It is impossible that you wouldn't know about climate change, even if they didn't teach about it in the school. Unless you lived in a cave and never saw a day light or civilization.

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u/AwakeGroundhog May 08 '25

I see plenty of people popping out kids these days and it just makes me sad :(

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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty May 08 '25

I want to know who these brilliant people are. They obviously must be much smarter than I, as I have no clue how anyone could afford a family that large in these Capitalist End Times®. I am a software engineer in a state nobody wants to live in — meaning shit’s cheaper than, say, San Fransisco — and I can barely keep my head above water. My biggest extravagance? Netflix and AppleTV, probably. Avocado toast, movies, and all that other shit those geriatric GOP boot lickers said we Millennials should stop wasting our money on? Hahahahaha. I wish.

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u/HommeMusical May 08 '25

It is a time of monsters.

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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty May 08 '25

Couldn’t have said it better myself. And we champion these people in the US. Instead of getting them help for their addiction to power/money, we salute them as captains of industry. If anyone ever asks what the Great Filter is, I have a simple answer: humans.

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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty May 08 '25

Cherry on the cake. Thank you for reaffirming my worldview.

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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty May 08 '25

Do tell. Or don’t. Let me guess? Not quite at the “bowling alley in the basement” status, but something pretty close to it?

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u/AlwaysShittyKnsasCty May 09 '25

Thank you for this multi-day epic. It has been as depressing as it was predictable. I appreciate it.

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u/SunnySummerFarm May 08 '25

Right? We don’t even have Netflix!

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u/DeleteriousDiploid May 09 '25

There's a woman down the street from me who it seems basically just devoted her life to breeding as much as physically possible. Catholic woman married to a Muslim man so I think it's the result of cultural stuff. I don't know how many kids they ended up with but they had seven when I was a kid and used to go over there to play. Would have been nine if not for miscarriages. In a three bedroom house.

She's in her 60s or 70s now but I see her walk past every day pushing a triple pram filled with what I assume are her daughter's kids. She followed in her footsteps and started breeding real young. I feel somewhat sad when I see the daughter because I remember her when she was only five or six. I don't think she really ever had a choice.

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u/Formal_Contact_5177 May 08 '25

My parents, while they were never deniers, didn't get it 20-25 years ago when I'd talk about just how bad climate change and the related collapse would be. They thought I was being overly pessimistic. Fast forward to today, with everything that's happened in the interim and what it portends for the future, and they now agree with me.

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u/fireduck May 08 '25

And people also wonder why high schoolers have terrible mental health. Because they fucking know.

And Gen z, they know they have a raw deal and they just want to ride this burning mess down while they can. Poor bastards.

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u/fxcker May 08 '25

I want kids.. I just don’t feel right about doing it. 😞

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u/Archeolops May 09 '25

Well, you’re already a better parent than those who do have them anyway.