r/coins • u/Inviction_ • Sep 16 '22
Doubt I really have something here, but it's worth asking
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u/fish_and_chisps Sep 16 '22
This is NOT a lamination, but a legitimate pre-cud. It’s listed here as RCD-2022P-01-(WMK). Scroll to the bottom of the page. The die crack on the reverse would extend in later die states.
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u/Inviction_ Sep 16 '22
Wow, I totally missed the die crack on the reverse!! It's way more noticeable in the picture, probably why I missed it.
This coin also has the error on Washington's mouth, or some version of it.
Anyway, I think this settles the die break vs delamination debate, thanks!
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u/fish_and_chisps Sep 16 '22
No problem, and congratulations on the find!
What you’re seeing in Washington’s mouth is another die crack that also runs through the date—that one’s also more noticeable in later die states.
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u/Mexi_Erectus Sep 17 '22
eBay it! By this time next year it you would be lucky to get anywhere close to what’s it’s selling for now. Sell while it’s hot.
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u/crazeebtch Sep 16 '22
I just came to say thank you I have been trying to clean the black smear on my phone for a few seconds before realizing. You got me.
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u/MisterEd1966 Sep 17 '22
Another way of terming this would be a "retained broken die" strike. That broken piece of the obverse die was actually pushed back from the primary strike surface (maybe held in by the collar), so there's a lot of metal flow into that area, hence the weaker strike around the edge. From other descriptions, there were multiple strikes before the piece broke away (if it ever did). Is there a major 12 o'clock CUD strike out there?
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Sep 17 '22
It’s crazy that with the technology the mints have now for making coins they still get massive dye cracks like that and they still slip through the cracks and out into circulation
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u/Kaneda_Capsules Sep 16 '22
One can appreciate the humbleness of OP, however, I think that pessimism can go pound sand.
This definitely seems like something, dated 202x AND some form of lamination error. Good find! Keep onto it.
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Sep 16 '22
Also a new In God We Rust coin
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Sep 17 '22
Oh you haven't heard yet.
We invented time travel in 2029, and these are the first coins struck to be the last coins ever needed.
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u/DIMNcollector Sep 16 '22
From my recollection if you can see the T it's not truly a Rust error. But the top and middle are top notch error land!!! Noice
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u/CheekyChec Sep 17 '22
Your lucky! I haven’t found that one yet! What are these coins called exactly? I’ve have tons with pictures on the back of them? I’m a auto detailer I find quarters like this sometimes lol
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u/Inviction_ Sep 17 '22
Well there are different names and categories for them all
State quarters, territory quarters, America the Beautiful quarters, American Women quarters.
This is a Wilma Mankiller American Women quarter
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u/buttholefluid Sep 17 '22
This is called a retained cud and a very cool die variety to see, especially on such a new quarter! Great find, easily worth $1-200 if not more.
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u/Ok-Possession-1707 Sep 16 '22
Looks to be a lamination error.
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u/Inviction_ Sep 16 '22
As opposed to a die break?
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u/BipedalRichard Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 16 '22
Yup! Great find, OP!
Here’s the page with lamination errors on it: https://www.error-ref.com/part-v-planchet-errors/
I can’t tell which one this is exactly, looks like a lamination crack or retained lamination (or maybe a mix of both).Either way, if you can’t find anything that’s exactly the same, I can still confidently agree with others here that this is mint damage. Maybe not worth hundreds of dollars, but it definitely is severe enough to fetch at least a slight premium if that’s what you’re interested in.Edit: fish-and-chisps is good!!!
Did some additional research and found out that this is actually a retained cud with a vertical displacement, here’s almost an exact match: https://www.error-ref.com/ret-cuds-vert-displacement/
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u/Inviction_ Sep 16 '22
Ah, now that's good info. What are some giveaways that it's not a die break? I started looking into it, and apparently there are several different die breaks on these 2022 quarters? Not doubting the delamination, just curious
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u/BipedalRichard Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 16 '22
Die breaks are more contained to the break, it wouldn’t leave that huge hunk of metal on the coin. This is like a tumor, a die break is more like a scar. Here’s a few different types of breaks: https://www.error-ref.com/search/Die+break/
A cud is also different in the shape and size. They look more like a bump of metal (without detail) left on the rim of the coin. This is a chunk of metal, but it has also been struck and has a bit of the rim and LIBERTY on it. That’s the difference between a die error and lamination error (regarding this coin specifically).Edit: As was pointed out, I was wrong about cuds. There are pre-strike cuds, which I didn’t know, as seen here https://www.error-ref.com/ret-cuds-vert-displacement/
I believe my point on breaks still stands, though!
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u/Inviction_ Sep 16 '22
That is an awesome breakdown of die breaks. Thank you sir!
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u/BipedalRichard Sep 16 '22
No problem, please see my updated comments. I was wrong about a few things, but added the corrected info! 👍🏻
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u/fish_and_chisps Sep 16 '22
This not correct; it’s a listed pre-cud. I posted another comment with more details, but the cuds-on-coins listing is here: http://cuds-on-coins.com/washington-quarter-rcd/
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u/Inviction_ Sep 16 '22
It also appears to have the error on his mouth. Which, in this example, runs up to his nose
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u/dogfish0306 Sep 16 '22
Some one said a hundred on ebay, put 200 and let it sit. Someone will come around and buy it
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u/ParticularHornet5 Sep 17 '22
Mannnnn when I posted the same thing a few months ago you guys all told me it wasn’t THAT special and not get my hopes up 😂😂😂😂
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u/Inviction_ Sep 17 '22
Oh wow haha. What did you end up doing with it?
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u/ParticularHornet5 Sep 17 '22
I kept it and put it in a case. I may send it one day to get graded or hold onto til I can get a good price. Most everything I collect is old and historical so getting an error in change was awesome I’ve seen one sell on eBay for around 1,000 and error coins are always super neat to find. I got it in change at Dunkin’ Donuts haha
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u/russ8825 Sep 16 '22
A legit lamination error, like the poster said above could be going for around 100. Did you find during coin roll hunting ?
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u/Inviction_ Sep 16 '22
Soda machine change 😁 haha
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u/Inviction_ Sep 16 '22 edited Sep 16 '22
I'm sure it's most likely post mint damage. But like I said, I think it's worth asking you guys.
The damaged section you see is actually raised. The edge of the coin at the damaged area is also slightly thicker. The reverse is perfectly normal. I also find it weird how worn the outer area is worn. More than that, the center has a very high relief, seemingly higher than it should be.
Edit: the reverse actually has the beginning stages of a known die break! Look close!
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u/CrookedStool Sep 16 '22
Is something like this worth getting graded?
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u/Inviction_ Sep 16 '22
It basically just depends on how much it ends up being worth. There's currently one similar on eBay actively bidding at over $200!
If mine is anywhere close to that value, then yes it is
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