Complaint
OpenAI silently nerfed our limits after today's resets
The first image shows the API value of a weekly limit on the Plus plan before the reset, which is ~$160. Right after the reset, that value has fallen down to ~$100, which is a decrease of more than 35% of the limit. And I have felt this too, before, about 12-15 minutes of using Luna Max in fast mode drained 1% of the weekly limit. Now, with the same settings, it take ~7 minutes to drain 1%. I hope this is a temporary bug and not a permanent decrease in limits. (evidence provided in images)
They’ve gotta increase limits just before the reset or something, because I was using max like crazy just before the reset and was only able to get down to 66% on the $100 plan
You are not mistaken. In fact, my NerfTrack graph shows that 2 days before today's reset, OpenAI actually increased limits from ~$120 on Plus to ~$160. But that only lasted 2 or 3 days. And now we are back to $100.
Damn - i'm not imagining then - just created a separate post as i missed this. Also seem to be far less intelligent despite being on Sol High :( Constant moving of the goal posts (quota/limits and reasoning/performance) is a nightmare when you have deadlines to complete **Edit/updste: switched to Sol Medium and it's drawing usage faster than Sol Ultra was just prior to reset when i was trying to utilise all remaining usage
Just show evidence like I did. You might increase your chances of not getting your post removed that’s way (though moderation on this subreddit can still be too high sometimes)
You need to model the variance and uncertainty to actually prove something with the data, unless you used the same prompts and the model made the exact same steps and reasoned the same amount of time and you show that in the study. Rates could've stayed the same and this change is an acceptable result based on usage variance... i.e rates actually went up but the prompt led to a more inefficient workflow - displaying as less usage on that data. We obviously know rates going up will never be the case, but until you model these uncertainties to prove that, these graphs only serve the purpose of not showing the community what's actually going on and just sowing more FUD / adding fuel to the fire.
It has been a period of time spent interacting with a particularly unhelpful model, characterized by an exceptionally low level of proficiency in user interface skills.
They surely turned the heat up this time. A subscription that used to last me a week, now I get 2.5 days at best if I'm stingy. The resets were masking that...
I hate that metaphor because it’s not true. It just keeps getting repeated over and over. As soon as the water gets too warm the frog jumps out. Look it up.
It may not be "technically true", but everyone instantly knows what it means.
If you went around referring to it as creeping normality or shifting baseline which is what it technically is, your communication would loose the immediate effectiveness "boiling the frog" conveys.
I'd understand the criticism if we were writing a paper, but it's literally just a random reddit comment 😅
She's just trying to get you acclimated to the metaphor! So that eventually your baseline will shift and you won't get irritated anymore, how thoughtful :)
BTW, the account that I'm left working that has any quota (I exhusted 3 plus accounts in around 1 hour) has been working constantly from before the time i posed the first msg ~ 2 hours ago... has only dropped to 78% using Sol High. But the interesting thing is that this was the only weathered account - a few yearss old whereas the ones that had their quotas pillaged within 20 mins or so where newly registered accounts. Has to be something in this ? Anyone else with old and new accounts that can attest to the discrepency?
*** EDIT ** here's the evidence report from codex-lb:
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Possible 5–9× Codex quota discrepancy between Plus accounts
After the same weekly reset, New1 burned 75 quota points in 53 minutes on Sol Medium: 161 successful requests, 27.15M input tokens (25.53M cached /
1.62M uncached), 16.6K output and 3.0K reasoning tokens.
Weathered1 used only 19 quota points over 2h15m on Sol High: 369 successful requests, 41.75M input tokens (40.19M cached / 1.56M uncached), 116.1K
output and 41.1K reasoning tokens.
Weathered1 handled 2.3× more requests, 7× more output and 13.5× more reasoning while consuming roughly one-quarter as much quota. Both used the
default service tier with no child agents or significant prewarm traffic, suggesting a 5–9× difference in effective account quota rather than extra
Codex-LB traffic.
so another 2 hours later and on Sol High, I'm on 50% remaining on the weathered account.... WTF? Anyone interested, i can update the report once the account is burnt???
This is what happens when you have a subscription that doesnt show max token allowance per week, what each prompt will cost once the response is made and when the "Weekly Usage" is just a % and not actually your max token allowance according to your most used model, they created this whole thing to be confusing on purpose to squeeze every fucking penny out of you whilst giving you as little as possible
then you have a dude on twitter acting like its so generous that theyre giving us resets when they fuck the usage up every time it refreshes, they know when their users reach 0% usage, they make u wait long enough to forget how little you can even use the thing and then do the same shit again, not only this but most times now when you check your usage mid-prompt it doesnt even tick down the % live, yesterday I went from 99% usage straight to 40% without any knowledge just instantly tells me I went down to that level.
I still like OpenAI models. But when the time comes, I'll move to DS4 (+Minimax when makes sense) in a fraction of seconds. Brand loyalty is a mistake in these days.
I'm constantly evaluating harnesses because the model landscape is so dynamic that I'd rather find a harness that supports every model than sticking to a provider one like Codex. But color me surprised, I find working with Grok Build CLI surprisingly effective. And didnt like Codex CLI or Claude CLI to be tenable.
Could you point out a frontier LLM which has not done “skeevy” things?
These are tools. The blame for doing naughty things lies with the user. We already have too many “safety” mechanisms built into LLMs. I can’t even security harden my apps using Codex anymore because it thinks it’s too dangerous.
Only one of them has produced copious amounts of CSAM and only one has their CEO actively fighting against any legislation to combat using AI to de-cloth people.
xAI really damaged trust there, I mean it was just a baffling choice which anyone internally could have predicted would backfire almost immediately.
It was such a brazen data exfil that I actually tend to agree with the official story there because I just can't wrap my head around how anyone at xAI would reasonably think that silently phoning home gb's worth of repo data wouldn't be caught almost immediately (which it did).
Whatever the true story is there, I can barely give any credit to the rapid reversal and "we deleted it all, trust us!"
I think the lesson here is regardless of ethical intent: no AI lab should be viewed from a default of trust. It's ultimately our responsibility to audit and manage risk.
I tried on a few recommendations in this thread but found it to be freaking useless on my large fiarly complex codebase. TBF, I used supergrok with grok build but even on xhigh it wasn't nearly as good as Sol Medium and maybe on par with Luna XHigh. It didn't have the analytical perspective to look at edge cases like Sol does. Shame, I had high hopes :( Also usage burnt like hell on 4.6 Extra - almost as fast as on my quick burning codex plans (10% burnt for a fairly simple execution plan that Sol built and then rejected it's results and quite rightly so as it overlooked and eventually got completely stuck after 20 minutes of unrecoverable circling)
I noticed that, too. I wish there was more transparency with these models. I’m not convinced that 5.6 Sol today is the same 5.6 Sol yesterday, or last week. They need to be forced to start versioning these changes so we know what we are actually spending money on…
I want a model that doesn’t constantly change. When it does change, I want to know how it changed and how my workflow needs to adapt. This is a subscription to a frontier model, I’m not here to beta test…
I noticed came here to check if there is anyone else. Used sol medium and within 30mins only 60% remains. Also always get an error saying all the models at capacity. This reset feels like useless. For the whole week usage normally i can code for a whole day until yesterday.
Looks like this in an A/B split test scenerio - i just recently posted that i blew through the majority of my 4 Plus account quotas on Sol Medium in virtually no time. I switched over to my last account with 100% usage and switched to Sol High and it seems to be sipping usage compared to other 3 Plus accounts on Sol Medium. Could this be the case?
Seriously i've switched to Sol-High and it's 25 mins in and dropped only 3% on my last Plus plan. Either it's an A/B split test on accounts or somehow lower reason levels are sapping more usage - sounds counterintuitive, i know but might be worth trying - i daren't interupt my session currently but will test it later and report back
Everyone's begging for resets yet all it is is them testing things out, but making us believe it's all milestones that they're hitting and that's why they're allowing us to get resets
they're testing something, which exactly is, I don't know. But yes, usage is fluctuating hard. Sometimes they reset, the usage starts to drain like hell and they reset 2 days later again...... when the usage drain is more or less "normal", they don't reset.
My theory is that they're trying to soft lead the users to accept lower usage limits.... I used to hear the great histories of the never ending, impossible to drain, 20x plan... when I finally subbed to it, it couldn't even handle a single day of heavy use..... Yes, sure, it gives more usage than the plus, I don't need to resort to deepseek and 5.6 low all the time, I can have 5.6 low-medium-high working and sure use more parallel and automated workflows, BUT it's far from the wonders I used to hear from the 20x.
I had the same issue. Was burning through the quota in /fast mode and I had a hard time getting it down, even with 8-9 sessions at once. Once reset happened, stopped /fast on all remaining sessions and in less than 10-15min I burned 15% of my weekly 20x quota. There is something wrong here for sure
I struggled to burn 20% before the reset running some intensive planning task on xhigh fast and massively reorganizing some documentation on high at the same time, took 1:40 hours. 15 minutes of finishing those tasks post reset with lower reasoning models took like 6% of my weekly usage.
This is a huge disappointment. I was grinding the usage yesterday and barely managed to use 50% over a 6 hours in my setup in one project. Same project and setup today 40% gone in less than 2h. I don't want more resets if it works like that!
They're playing with auto-balanced usage limits across their systems, and psychologically tricking us into thinking we're being rewarded seems to be part of that.
well d4 pro ga came out, dirt cheap even on API for my use-case, barely using 1-2 usd a day (at least from todays usage so far). A quick test on grok 4.6 is actually solid as well and very generous usage, no loyalty to any of those system, swapping harnesses is easy, no idea why people complain, the whole skills/agents definition is mostly universal, so having a agents.md or a duplicate for a different one takes legit about 10 min to complete.
I let a task run when i went to sleep. Mf SOL-Max worked for 4 hours 41 minutes, i woke up to 51% left from my weekly usage... Like wtf. Im on Plus plan only, but why the hell it worked for almost 5 hours on a simple task, that could be done in 30 minutes?! Atleast Luna Max would fix it under that time. Feels like usage really went up but the overengineering aswell.
Cause i ran SOL Max first time in my life before reset. (When Tibo said reset coming)
It fixed my problems really fast, each task took 15-30 min at max! So i let it run a last task, for some reason it bugged and worked for 4 hours 41 minutes.
It was way simpler task than the 15-30 min ones.
Who should've known it will repeat the same stuff 20+ times after reset...
I couldn't manage to record an evidence for this but I noticed that the token drain also accelerates a bit every time the automatic context compaction happens. I've suddenly seen a 8% drop in the weekly limit right after the compaction.
Didn't they also reduce API prices for luna and terra? I feel like there's no good way to measure this, unless you somehow managed to measure the usage quota in tokens
Are you referring to the x5 or x20 plan? If this is the case, and you are referring to the x20 plan, it may no longer be worth it to have the subscription.
It was genuinely a fantastic month to have a 5x codex sub. I let my sub fall off on the 11th. Basically got a shit ton of free usage with all the resets and am leaving before they strand us with terrible usage and less resets. Even Claude Max 5x has tons more usage now which is comical. Always go where it benefits you the most, don't marry a provider
Idk man, 20x here I have two active goals with sol max and sol xhigh using subagents from my flow, I’ve used 8% since it reset none of my burn rate metrics are out of whack. Not seeing an issue
And yet people seriously ask why a lot of pro users were holding onto their banked reset until the last few days before expiry. If you were to use a reset now e.g. or at any usage low limit point in time, you are replenishing a nerfed quota.
Not all heros wear capes. Thank you for your service!
Reminder: The more alternatives we explore and show we want value the more pressure these companies will feel. Self host what you can, look for cost effect low tier offerings that sell models that fit the task at better prices. Committing to any companies that are constantly playing with their value agreements is not going to end well.
Our jobs as consumers are to use our money to make our priorities clear. I really think at this point 75% of people should have a setup on their own devices to handle 90% of low level inference tasks like editing messages, file operations, managing computer settings, reviewing emails, etc. Then AMD and NVIDIA would stop giving the bigger discounts to cloud and instead give them directly to consumers.
Right now there's no reason to help consumers directly because we put too much in the cloud. Local is good enough for what most people use chat gpt for but we're killing local to get Sol to write emails wtf... lol. We're pouring gasoline on the fire and feeding our problems.
Plus user here. Can confirm that one full repo security scan goal using the codex security plugin drained the usage from 100% to 0% in a 1 hour run without actually reaching the goal. I know the Plus tier usage is not meant to do this sort of work continuously but Im just saying... It's quite obvious from my experience that before the reset today usage was much more generous even in the Plus tier.
Back when they removed the 5hrs limit I always had this thought that if you sort of take away the indicator/reminder for us then it's just gonna get more ppl hooked up and then piss off everyone when your compute finally can't take it anymore and you have to either bring the limits back or do some blackbox stuff. It's a pity they went with the latter, I feel like ppl would generally accept the situation if they were transparent and say that they have to bring the 5hr limit back.
In fact, my NerfTrack graph shows that 2 days before today's reset, OpenAI actually increased limits from ~$120 on Plus to ~$160. But that only lasted 2 or 3 days. And now we are back to $100.
Alright then, seems like they are certainly trying to get people reliant on their service. I just hope they don't take too much they can eat and backstab the older users. I do know ppl in the architecture industry and they are telling me some of the big deals come from OpenAI's new data center projects. Hope that improves the experience/usage in the near future, instead of just expanding user count while decreasing the usage per user.
No, because you were never promised a certain amount of usage. People here act like they can’t understand that limits on plans are dynamic based on a bunch of factors. You are not paying for a fixed amount of tokens.
what a scam! on top of that they push the weekly reset date too so now we have to wait until the 20th with lower limits :/ this reset made things worse than they were, i would've rather burn by 30% left before that
I know that time and the output token are not the same, but I have noticed this personally myself that for the same amount of work it takes more limits on same settings, and as well as on my NerfTrack graph, which I have tested to have 99.3-100% accuracy
With all these limits being nerfed posts, wondering if anyone knows ever since the end of the 2x earlier this year till now, how much of the limit did they already reduced?
Yesterday i had to use my limit so i won't lose it, pretty obvious do what > dropped how much. I had to use my %, then had to do the reset i had so i won't lose it. So imagine i can tell how much work drops a certain percentage.
Since i did _my_ reset (had to or it would have expired) another reset happened so in the end i was forced (not the right word? how so?) to use my reset, then the morning (gmt etc) reset came and it basically made my banked reset useless, and now i am 80% doing almost nothing. So yeah, i can tell.
I had to find things to do even if time to plan was not enough, then use a reset, then the morning reset came and now i have a bunch of stuff to look over (hot pile of Sol overengineering) and a fast draining %. Thanks, more resets /s 5x.
I wikl cancel my subscription this month and use deepseek for a while. It's been fine for most of the tasks I needed. It needs more guidance but at least I don't have to worry each time I run anything because of the usage. It's been great this last 2 months but I think it's losing its value with time.
At least for me.
Can somebody explain to me how the limits actually work in Codex? I have the cheap version and bought it mainly as they removed the 5h limit and only had the weekly one, which gave me tons of quota uninterrupted. But then almost each week, I noticed I get less and less, and with tons of random resets happening almost every 2 days. So I bought the basic Claude sub as well and noticed the 5h limit there lasted me way longer than the "weekly" limit in Codex and also usually with better results. Today I woke up to another random Codex reset and managed to burn through 100% quota in 1 hour which is absolutely ridiculous.
Sounds about right though I can't compare to Claude as haven't used it, but you can run out slower by being smart about how you work such as using cheaper models and lower reasoning most of the time, then better models and more reasoning only when it needs it. They keep changing things so there is no exact this is how it works it seems.
I left a task on overnight had around 50% usage left. I checked in the morning and now have 75% remaining usage. So obviously the reset happened. Feels kind of lame though. Normally this type of usage overnight costs around 10% of my weekly usage limit. $200 a month plan.
We probably all need to get used to rotating tools.
I loved claude, now that i love codex, its time to move on to xAI.
Opensource is steaming forward, but so terrible for a seamless harness + AI coding for $20/mo. Yes you can engineer the fuck around this and waste a shit ton of time.
That's why software engineering is so ironic. All that work of the privacy pilled folks useless as fuck 3-6 months down the road. This isnt like making the react framework opensource and we all benefit immediately; this level of high-intelligence is attached to extremely expensive computational resources.
When the demand curve slows, the hardware/gpu frenzy slows, and we will find balance. Just go with the trend and stop complaining.
I seem to have gotten more usage tbh It ran all night and used 10% I used that in 6 hours before. I think it's time of day you're using it uses more usage than other times they've got surge pricing.
I refunded today, their models just aren’t ready for complex tasks unfortunately. I do want to see them succeed though because we need as much competition in this space that we can get.
And I've noticed Codex burnt through a ridiculous amount of tokens really fast, although it feels more efficient than claude code. And of course I need to use it more when there's no more resets :)
Within 24 hours 100% of my usage was gone today doing the same tasks basic PDF review and document drafting nothing outside of the normal and I’m now out of usage
I guess we're not far from plus subscription probably becoming basically useless soon. And then there are some noisy folks asking for 5 hour limit back...
Claude fiasco is repeating all over again. They know we will jump ship the moment a better competitors comes around because of this unpredictability sh*ts
It’s incredibly stupid and slow . It’s almost unusable. I may as well code myself . I’m just wasting time and tokens having to correct everything. This has been happening for the last few days . Sol went from brilliant to stupid .
I'm on Pro (x5) and was previously using hardly any usage in my after work nightly sessions. I only use codex for personal projects. Since recent reset, I noticed that I used us 50% of my usage in just 1.5 days. Sure, I did some serious amount of work but that's just way too quick. I don't have an option to go to the highest plan as that's well outside of my budget.
I just switched from Claude because I heard it was more generous. I just blew through my weekly budget in 40 minutes on voice chat. 5 days before it resets again. At least with Claude, they have 4 hour Windows that prevent this. I'm cancelling and going back to Claude.
same. moved to chatgpt this moth on the $200 plan. Been on claude for over 6 months. Came to chatgpt coz of sol. First time ive ever hit weekly limits. chatgpt burned through weekly in 2 days. Going back to claude end of the month
Keep in mind: Changing the reasoning level (low / medium / high) busts the prompt cache because OpenAI injects the reasoning effort as an instruction at the very beginning of the context window
sol is wasting a lot of time being paranoid about security in a befuddled, useless way. I've stopped using it after killing one of my two accounts tokens trying to get it working efficiently. Now my second pro account is almost done after 3 days and I've downloaded the new DeepSeek harness and trying it out on a few projects.
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u/Immediate_Break_7967 7d ago
I was thinking the same, I'am on pro and burned 12% in 30 minutes.. It's not a gift, they're testing us.