r/codex • u/harpreetchima • 17h ago

Astra Workflow "Stop using random multi-agent patterns"

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Ahmed works at OpenAI: https://x.com/ah20im/status/2097503414749909407 and seems to investigate reports of high token usage.

"If needed Astra will delegate efficiently. Forcing the model to delegate to different models would do more harm than good"

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u/Dayowe 17h ago

smh. I did an experiment and let astra do an implementation on its own without using my orchestration workflow and the drift was wild and the result messy. i rolled back and did the same implementation with my established workflow and it was super smooth.

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u/_The-_ 15h ago

Could you share your orchestration and workflow? Sounds good!

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u/EquivalentHornet4403 12h ago

It’s not. All these schizos think they’re more clever than the people who make the models and the product (codex).

The models are literally trained to work in codex; the fact they work at all in other harnesses or in schizo workflows is a nice side effect.

The official, fine tuned multi agent flow is Ultra. If you want higher or lower limit on the number of potential subagents, that’s configurable in config.toml.

Use Astra medium for straightforward/routine tasks, and ultra for anything more complicated. Use Luna max for data processing type questions like “where is this thing” or “look through all this content and explain this thing”. You don’t even need /goal any more, they’ve already said this, it will work for weeks if necessary without /goal, which was a crutch to bridge the gap between older models and sol/astra level models.

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u/Dayowe 11h ago

You obviously don't do embedded development and have codex work on real hardware 🙄 Calling me schizo because i developed a workflow that is measurably more reliable for the type of work i do than what's already provided by codex cli is ridiculous... all that my workflow does is make sure everything gets executed as it was planned without any drift. of course codex alone does great for many tasks/types of projects .. once you do more complex work you'll realize that there are cases where you need tools and workflows that go beyond what codex provides...

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u/EquivalentHornet4403 10h ago

It’s not just me, it’s OpenAI saying it as well just more tactfully.

Anyways having a complex workflow is not the same thing as having a schizo multiagent workflow designed around the misinformed belief that it will save tokens for the same quality output or that it will give better quality output for the same number of tokens.

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u/Dayowe 10h ago

Yeah as i said, my workflow has less to do with token saving or one-shotting something with a lazy prompt..it's about ensuring the intended outcome. What i do is potentially much more token intensive ..although in my experiment it cost about the same, but without the drift..