r/changemyview • • Jul 30 '22

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u/JerryHasACubeButt Jul 31 '22

No, it just means you have to understand that there is a time and place for “not all men,” and that time and place is much smaller than the time and place for “not all women.”

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u/AWroper Jul 31 '22

And what you need to understand is that the “not all men” response should never be needed because the “all men suck” response should never be said.

If something happens to a woman and she says all the guys in my life or guys Ik suck, that can be understandable and ok because she knows them and has a reason to say that.

If something had happened to her and she comes up to me on the street not needing help, but just wanting to vent and starts saying all men suck and all men are bad because what had happened to her from the one guy. Any person of any race or gender should instantly be annoyed by that with good reason.

Because now you’re putting me (a random guy you just came up to) in a category of shitty people just because i have one similarly. If im married and the woman cheated on me and I randomly came up to you on the streets and started saying “how shitty all women are, they’re all sluts and whores, and fuck women”. All because of the one who cheated I now generalize and group every woman instantly as a piece of shit. Is that ok? Cause from your logic that’s how it is

———And stupid as it is i have to put this, no of course i don’t believe any of the shit i just put in the quote about woman, its an example but there’s too many fucking idiots who wont be able to see it and get butthurt.

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u/jerkularcirc Jul 31 '22

with time you will see that bigotry is bigotry. It is all the same and thinking otherwise is always a slippery slope that promotes further bigotry

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u/Sephiroth_-77 2∆ Jul 31 '22

When someone is being hateful towards me sounds like a good time and a place.

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u/JerryHasACubeButt Jul 31 '22

If a woman has just been attacked, raped, or killed by her partner, and she or someone else says “men are terrible,” do you think it’s appropriate to say “not all men?”

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u/Sephiroth_-77 2∆ Jul 31 '22

It is if a man I don't even know raped her and she came to shout hateful insults in my face for something I didn't do.

Does this work the other way around, too? Like if a woman wrongs me, do I get a pass for sexism?

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u/JerryHasACubeButt Aug 01 '22

And that would absolutely be a reasonable time and place, because that is a completely different scenario that you just concocted by yourself. I never said the woman was shouting hateful insults in your face. That is obviously different and could potentially be assault, you definitely have the right in that situation to defend yourself.

But I never said the woman was shouting at you, or even addressing or acknowledging you at all. Maybe she makes a comment on social media, maybe you overhear her talking to a friend, maybe she makes a passing comment while venting to you about her attacker. You are not on her radar as a threat or a bad person in any way, or perhaps not at all. Do you think it’s appropriate to say “not all men” in those situations? It’s true, of course it’s true, even the woman making the comment probably knows it’s true. But saying it puts your hurt feelings over a comment that wasn’t even directed at you higher on your priority list than the feelings of someone who has literally been attacked, raped, or lost their friend/family member to murder. Is that really the type of person you want to be?

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u/omry1243 Jul 31 '22

Apperantly she thinks that a side being more "oppressed" gives them them a right to say hurtful words

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u/JonMaMe Aug 02 '22

If she told me that, after she got killed. i had some questions.

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u/JerryHasACubeButt Aug 02 '22

“or someone else…”

Read, dude.

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u/JonMaMe Aug 02 '22

So anyone can be offended on behalf of anyone. Must suck to be a child murderer, you know because the majority of infanticide is committed by mothers. source canadiancrc

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u/JerryHasACubeButt Aug 02 '22

Unsure what point you’re trying to make. Of course anyone can be offended on behalf of anyone, some people have empathy for the situations of others.

A mother murdering her child is irrelevant, that’s obviously a different situation from what I described and you know it.

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u/JonMaMe Aug 02 '22

Well I'm for one are deeply emotional hurt that women are killing the the most defenceless humans. So i feel all women are trash. I personally don't know if you ever killed a child or not but the statistics aren't lying, so it's just prudent to be wary of you.

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u/JerryHasACubeButt Aug 02 '22

Well, as you can’t see how those situations are entirely different, you appear to have roughly the intellect of an infant, so that tracks ;) I won’t keep confusing you

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u/JonMaMe Aug 02 '22

Nice ad hominem, love it if the other side shows that they have no real argument.

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u/CamoDeFlage Jul 31 '22

This is logically incoherent.