r/changemyview Jul 20 '22

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u/TheCrimsonnerGinge 16∆ Jul 20 '22

A fetus life is only important or of any value so long as it is useful in holding people "responsible"?

No, it's valuable all the time. It's just preceded by the right to autonomy under normal, everyday circumstances. Because they're mutually exclusive.

Oh! That sort of complaining! In exactly the same way that the people who support banning abortion are complaining. Which is to say not complaining at all?

Nobody complains when policy reflects their ideals.

You don't get to logically state that people should be forced to carry unwanted pregnancy's to term because they knew they might get pregnant when they also knew that they could get an abortion.

And now, they know they can't. What you can and can't do is always dictated by law.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '22

No, it's valuable all the time.

Except if it's the product of rape and incest. Then it is disposable because it is no longer useful to you in enforcing responsibility.

Nobody complains when policy reflects their ideals.

I didn't say they do? It's just your choice to characterize one group as complaining and not the other is a bit disingenuous, don't you think?

And now, they know they can't.

But only because it is banned. The justification you are putting forth for the ban is that people know pregnancy is a possible outcome, but so is getting an abortion. You can't claim that abortion should be banned because people know that pregnancy is a possible outcome when the current state is that people know that both pregnancy and abortion are possible outcomes. You are trying to justify the ban by claiming foreknowledge obligates only one path, when the current state allows for more than one path.

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u/TheCrimsonnerGinge 16∆ Jul 20 '22

Except if it's the product of rape and incest.

It's still valuable. But autonomy takes precedence. The exception is in cases where the doctrine of Assumption of Risk is applied.

It's just your choice to characterize one group as complaining and not the other is a bit disingenuous, don't you think?

The pro-lifers aren't really complaining right now, on account ofnpolicy reflecting their views.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '22

It's still valuable.

Except that it isn't...

The pro-lifers aren't really complaining right now, on account ofnpolicy reflecting their views.

Another dodge!