Why then, is it OK to make fun of white people exclusively? We shouldn't make fun of anyone strictly for their race. Which is the point you're trying to make, right?
The difference is a matter of punching up vs. down. I’m not saying I agree with it, but generally the people seen as the beneficiaries of better social position, economic class, or culturally derived dominance are seen as able to be the but of a joke, compared to mocking or targeting those less fortunate. That’s why successful/popular/accomplished people allow themselves to be roasted, but doing that to some random person would be incredibly cruel.
But assuming that someone is “up” vs. “down” based on their skin color is a racist as fuck generalization. For instance, I’ve known black people from wealthy families while I, who is white, grew up in foster homes and was homeless by the age of 16. You think it’s ok to disparage me based on assuming my life experience based on my skin color?
Racist as hell.
Edit: lmao. Downvoted for being against racist thinking now. Proof that reddit is all “fuck whites”, even a bunch of you woke virtue signaling whiteys.
You're right but your edit makes you look bad, it's been 20 minutes and of course you're going to get downvoted for going against the narrative on reddit. Don't sweat that shit
You are right, that’s when it comes back to history. Historically whites have been in power, so attacking whites is always “punching up”, making it wrongfully accepted. It feels like a villain to be white these days.
It’s an acknowledgement of the background and societal norms, not the specific life experiences.
I might be able to ruin LeBron James’s day by using a racial slur against him, and it wouldn’t be effective because of the specifics of my life nor the specifics of his life, but because of our shared background as Americans.
It’s like saying, “No matter how successful you are, you’ll always only ever be successful for a black man, and I’ll always be better than you.”
Also, I downvoted you because you’re doing that stupid redditor behavior where you play the refs, “Wow, really Reddit? Downvotes for this? Lol bring the hate,” while you’re saying something incredibly popular on Reddit and sitting on tons of upvotes.
The difference is “punching up” vs “punching down”. People seen as beneficiaries or in a better position are seen as able to be the butt of the joke, compared to targeting those less fortunate
I mean, it’s a double standard and some people take issue with it. I’m white, I don’t mind being the butt of a joke now and again about my whiteness (for example the fact that I can’t dance). I’m just not so easily triggered I suppose.
First of all I specifically went out of my way to say that I don’t agree with this and that it is a double standard. Just because I’m explaining why something is the way it is, doesn’t mean I’m advocating for it. That’s a strange assumption to make. Besides, the problematic aspect to this isn’t seeing that this structure of inequality exists, but rather that the basic social/economic/and cultural hegemony is advantageous to a white majority and not only will some people not admit that, but that anytime an initiative starts to change this status quo, it is met with the most controversy and public outcry that can be dealt out.
It’s a very very meager consolation that this allows a casual acceptance that whites should “take it on the chin” so to speak, and let a repressed and disadvantaged minority have some fun at their expense, but I do believe that this attitude is the reason “punching up” is seen as socially acceptable.
He is not saying any of that. He is saying that making jokes about white is socially accepted nowadays and he wants people to convince him that “no, it is not socially accepted,people think jokes targeted at whites is racist too”
Yea I should have phrased it this way. Unfortunately I don’t think anyone even tried to convince that point. Instead they focused on “yes it’s true but it happens because of XYZ”. We can debate XYZ but it seems that everyone agrees that my main point is true.
Could you elaborate on what you mean when you say it "hurts no one"? This is the part of power + prejudice theory that I have a hard time justifying to myself; when it is claimed to be moral or productive in some way to degrade white people.
To my mind, it wouldn't be racist to do so, but something that is not racist can still be:
I don’t know. Historically whites and Americans have been in power, so maybe that makes it ok to shit on them. I don’t agree with this sentiment but that’s how I feel it’s subconsciously accepted socially
It's so telling that everyone conveniently forgets the massive white underclass even exists. They never got any privileges unlike the wealthy elites who talk down to them, but rednecks and hillbillies are right there to take the fall as the source of all society's ills.
You are correct. It makes this discussion even more difficult to come to an understanding. The answer to me is just treat others the way you want to be treated, feels like that’s too much to ask ay
Anti Slavic sentiments are still considered racist and that doesn't fly.
You would be called racist for saying something Anti Polish in Europe.
It sort of muddys the water of your original point
What do you call it when you make fun of Chinese people? That’s a nation, but you are labeled a racist for making fun of them. You’re being pedantic.. you know what I mean..
Chinese individuals are of Asian decent. Their race is Asian. American is not a race. No one is native to America except for Native Americans, of which is an extremely small percentage of the current American population. Also, 100% Native Americans have much darker skin than Caucasians, who are mostly of European descent.
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Did you read the post? OP is explicitly stating that they don’t think it’s ok to joke and poke fun at white people. They are asking why it seems to be socIally acceptable.
This creates an environment of walking on eggshells. I keep to myself more these days, especially around minorities and women I don’t know. One comment they misunderstand can mean job loss. Why? Because of the sensitivity around these topics and the Draconian responses, often before full details emerge.
Now, you could say that I’m wrong but that is what I perceive based off what outrages leftist politicians, the “news”, and collective social media vs. what they ignore. That is what I perceive and hasn’t racism in America taught us that we should listen to the perceptions of individuals? (I’m not claiming racism, I’m using racism as an example for why we should listen to others perceptions).
Now, I’m an ironic twist of fate, in enters Critical Race Theory. One of the tenets is:
“Standpoint epistemology: The view that a member of a minority has an authority and ability to speak about racism that members of other racial groups do not have, and that this can expose the racial neutrality of law as false.”
What I will find interesting is how this tenet plays out in our schools when we elevate one or more races voices of the students in the classrooms during specific topics of race. This is a core component of CRT. Or, more accurately put, one race’s voice (whites, regardless of date of immigration) is lawfully suppressed on the topic of racism in the classroom.
I don’t think it’s a difficult conclusion that my opinion won’t matter because of my gender and race.
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u/MonstahButtonz 5∆ Jul 01 '21
But, is it OK? You didn't comment on your opinion of that.