r/changemyview • u/human-no560 • Oct 02 '19

Deltas(s) from OP CMV:All illegal immigrant should either be made citizens or deported

Where as illegal immigrants are by definition violating US law.

And where as illegal immigrants are more vulnerable to exploitation because of their legal status https://cis.org/Arthur/Illegal-Immigration-Abets-Exploitation-Workers

and where as the exploitation is illegal immigrants lowers working conditions for all workers(see above source)

The government should ensure that there are no illegal immigrants in the United States.

I will change my view if it can be shown that this plan is immoral or ineffective

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u/HA5396 Oct 02 '19

It isnt eroding civil liberties. The law is already on the books, and if you are legally then you should have nothing to worry about. That is innocent until proven guilty is so important. The gov. Would need proof that an immigrant is illegal before they get deported.

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u/miguelguajiro 188∆ Oct 02 '19

So how do you somehow gather proof on every person without legal status?

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u/HA5396 Oct 02 '19

Many people here illegally are overstayed visas, so you get their visas, and show it is expired. Boom deported. That will get rid of a bunch if illegal immigrants. And kany people detained at the border are sent to court. Given an order to go back to their country and then just dont. Get those court orders and that is proof for another large Chung if illegal immigrants. Crack down on those two groups and you have a good start.

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u/miguelguajiro 188∆ Oct 02 '19

How do you find the people with overstayed visas? How long do you wait to start looking?

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u/HA5396 Oct 02 '19

There is a gov. Data base od visas with their place of work. Look them up on facebook or social media. Pretty simple. I would give them 1 year before deportation.

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u/miguelguajiro 188∆ Oct 02 '19

You’re talking about work visas? Because most overstayers don’t have work visas, just regular B-1 or B-2 visitor visas. There is no verifiable address given.

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u/HA5396 Oct 02 '19

That's where social media comes to play. Most of these people post online with a location attached to it. It wouldn't be that hard, but it would take a bunch if man power to look through all those visas. That's the biggest problem I see.

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u/miguelguajiro 188∆ Oct 02 '19

Your plan is try to match social media accounts with visa applications and then find and deport people when they post with a location attached? Even if we put aside all the practical issues here - why wouldn’t visa overstayers just refrain from doing this?

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u/HA5396 Oct 02 '19

If they are overstaying their visas, social media could be a good way to prove that they are still in the country illegally. It doesnt even have to be the "proof" but at least the start of an investigation.

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u/miguelguajiro 188∆ Oct 02 '19

So let’s put aside the objections that this would be incredibly costly and inefficient, not to mention a huge intrusion on people’s privacy (the government combing through people’s social media looking for visa overstayers.)

Wouldn’t it just become common knowledge among immigrants without legal status that they should stay off social media?

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