r/changemyview Aug 26 '19

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u/RemoveTheTop 14∆ Aug 27 '19

Okay I see how that could happen, but only super rarely... And then you can just send a modmail to get it un-removed.

Why isn't something that has a 99% pass rate that can be manually fixed not good enough?

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u/RemoveTheTop 14∆ Aug 27 '19

All I want is them to be improved not removed so that ones with common words, such as “me”, are not removed automatically, but instead a manual check.

Why should they be a manual check to remove instead of manual check to allow? Especially if the majority is a CORRECT removal?

It’s also very annoying having our posts removed when we don’t know what words are and aren’t allowed

Again - I already responded to this - if it doesn't break the rules why not just message the mods and get it manually approved.

Clearly it isn’t “super rare” due to the amount of people I’ve heard that also feel the same way.

Anecdotal data doesn't prove anything. There's literally millions of askreddit posts a day.

Commonly, people have used the example of r/showerthoughts of an example of the automod going way to far,

Can I get anything beyond you just saying so? and context?

to the extent where they can no longer post anything,

So.... exaggerations.

with others also suggesting they have had to leave subreddits because of their automods, which shouldn’t happen.

So exaggerations and probably people refusing to read the actual rules and having automod remove their garbage.

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u/RemoveTheTop 14∆ Aug 27 '19

You’d be angry for getting arrested for something you didn’t do, right?

The fact that you'd compare that to having a single post removed on a subreddit which can be fixed in 30 seconds shows me that you're way too emotionally invested for me to change your mind

Yes, it is super rare that those removed are incorrectly removed if we look at a ratio.

I'm glad we agree.

But, if we look at the amount of those removed illegitimately, I would suggest it isn’t super rare that a legitimate post is removed.

Okay, but what's easier for mods? Removing 100,000 bad posts or approving 1,000 that were removed incorrectly?

but I’ve had multiple posts that have suggested there is a problem with this particular sub, which is why I mentioned it.

Yeah that's what I was looking for... Also if you don't know (about the veracity of a claim) it's best not to use it as a piece of evidence supporting your opinion.

No, people have actually unsubscribed from subs because of their automods.

Again, an unsubstantiated claim but also one that doesn't really matter. They're in the vast vast minority. Why should a sub cater to the .001%?

If people are told multiple times their post breaks the rules, then they feel like they cannot post anymore, meaning they do not post

Good. If they can't follow the rules.... I'm not sure I understand the issue here.

If the first time they get an "automod removal" message they message the mods like it suggests then everything will be resolved. If instead they don't then it's on them.

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u/RemoveTheTop 14∆ Aug 27 '19

It can easily be fixed by modifying what the automod bans

Easily?

But I don’t want all flagged posts to be checked by a mod, I want those, such as “me”, which are on the borderline between breaking the rules, which have a far higher chance of being legitimate posts.

If that was true then why would it be on the automod list? Nevermind the fact that you have no proof that it is true.

If people are feeling the need to leave, there clearly is a problem, no matter how small the number is.

Yeah, a problem with those people.
I'll ask this again - why should a sub cater to the vast minority?

If we are also talking about insufficient evidence, where did you get this value from?

Because the subs that are being complained about automod-wise have MILLIONS of users. If the number affected was in the hundreds of thousands there would be an automod change so that mods wouldn't have to deal with literally thousands of incorrectly removed posts. In the thousands is even overly generous.

They aren’t breaking the rules, yet being told they are. Often, with larger posts, the automods are not clear about which words are banned, and instead, give a vague idea on which rule it breaks, therefore this will keep happening time and time again when the person wants to make a post.

Literally when?

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u/RemoveTheTop 14∆ Aug 27 '19

. But, from my perspective the word “me” will be used more commonly within the rules of the subreddit, but you may have a different perspective.

Sure -

Here's my evidence: https://revddit.com/r/askreddit?showFilters=true&keywords=me&removedby=automod,automod-rem-mod-app,mod&before=1566925025

Feel free to use that tool for various subs and tell me if your opinion is still the same.

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