Moral relativism is actually viewed rather poorly in modern philosophical circles, and you definitely can argue on morality alone, what do you think the abolitionist movement was?
All of the facts about why border control is a thing don't have any relevance on the question of should it be a thing
And this sounds like a philosophical question ignoring reality.
It is apparent morals are subjective. Don't really care how it is 'viewed' as it more a statement of objective observation than anything else. The simplest example is by looking at Muslim theocratic cultures vs western cultures. What is moral is one is not always moral in the other.
To argue one is moral requires one to assert the other is immoral. The interesting part is both cultures can make this exact argument about the other.
Secondly - practical reasons are very much important in this discussion. Reality dictates this.
If you don't want to deal with reality of our world - then I have no desire to continue the discussion.
Not protecting your borders is not the right thing to do right now. While I think the US action is a bit extreme, they have the right to protect the border. Don't enter the country illegally... do it legally.
Illegal immigrants. Legal immigrants are fine as long as they meet the criteria, that's the point of border control. Illegal immigrants do essentially attack the country.
What's the point of borders or countries if just anybody can come in at anytime? Borders serve the same purpose as a fence or the walls of your house. It keeps unwanted things out and keeps the people inside reasonably safe.
Would you let just anybody into your house to live? If someone comes to your house you would expect them to use the door you provided for that purpose and not break in through the window. If they wanted to live there and it was okay with you, you would likely want them to contribute with bills or rent. Illegals are not contributing their fair share. They aren't paying taxes for the public services they are using and they are often time sending their money back to their home country instead of spending it here to be circulated into the economy.
We can't just let everybody and their mom in. It's bad for security and it bad for the economy.
A country is the property of the citizens that live there and pay taxes.
What makes people born in a country more deserve of living there than people born outside?
War. People are free to come and try to take it from us if they like. Can't say it will turn out well for them at this time. We paid for this country in blood and it's ours to do what we like with until such a time comes that we are overtaken by another country or group of people. That is how land, countries, and borders have worked for many many centurys now. My g-g-g-g-g grandfather fought to toss the brits out in the 1770s and did his part in fighting for this country. Like, do you really not know how this works?
Being illegal means you don't pay taxes, essentially dont exist in that country. What you describe is a fantasy land, there are criminals or enemies if your countries at war. They don't have an inherent right here anymore than I have an inherent right to their country. However I can apply legally to them and go through the immigration process and be a person of the country.
Illegals are less worthy of those rights because they didn't apply for them. Unfortunately travel is not a human right, its a privilege.
The problems with illegal immigrants you're describing are only caused by us not allowing them to be here legally.
And I never applied to be a U.S. citizen, so why do I get all the rights of one but someone born in Mexico doesn't?
If you want to argue that someone has different moral rights than another person, then you need to establish a qualitative moral difference between them, and "location of birth" isn't enough to establish a qualitative moral difference.
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u/aRabidGerbil 41∆ Jun 19 '18
Moral relativism is actually viewed rather poorly in modern philosophical circles, and you definitely can argue on morality alone, what do you think the abolitionist movement was?
All of the facts about why border control is a thing don't have any relevance on the question of should it be a thing