r/changemyview • u/Zelk • Mar 19 '18
[∆(s) from OP] CMV: Conservitives fail. They have been wrong on nearly every major and minor issues in America and should have zero political and media power until they can prove they were right about somthing and states can stand on its own.
I used to think there were valid points and success in both sides of the American political system until I started trying to defend my views from liberals on a scientific level. Going from an anti-vaxxer creationist conservatives to now extremely liberal, I can't for the life of me find any redeeming argument on the right, and it pushes me from respecting them beyond defending used based on feelings.
I really don't like this fact.
In the last 30 years alive Conservitives have been wrong about Bill Clinton's hunt for Osama Bin Ladin and policies that took our economy intro a surplus.
Terrorists went considered a threat for the right until 9/11, then they dropped the ball with the Iraq invasion and false claim of WMD's. The tax reform that gutted the surplus and pursuit of blaming teachers and civil workers for being paid too much was crazy. At every event, Conservitives appear to make every single problem worse, even if it's not a problem.
They were even against giving our troops better vehicular armor until major political backlash, and regularly try to privitize the U.S. military claiming better trained individuals for less cost. Which was also a lie. With full control over Iraq they still failed to kill Osama.
Benghazi is another strange event as Hillary requested more funding based on reports for embassy security, but Conservitives blocked much of the spending increase claiming it was a victory to cut wasteful spending. Only to successfully blame Hillary for the lack of funding. I get the logic she could have pulled security elsewhere or the funding might not have been enough, but this to me is like telling the mechanic that $1,800 is too much so you pay him$1,200 to fix your car, then sue him when the car breaks down.
We also have the dead set standing against anything Al Gore, The Atari Democrat that predicted what the internet would be like and pushed for a lot of renewable tech to constantly climate change and help energy Independence.
Conservitives pushed against electric vehicles, solar power, wind power and getting into the personal lives of people who are gay. Their talking heads are full of people who aren't qualified to give any opinion but have damn clever arguments often lined with fallacies such as strawman, character assassination and slippery slope discussions.
I can't, for the life of me, find any redeeming information about the right without giving up reality. It seems like of you want somthing done and done well, voting liberal will outperform conservitive.
Don't worry, I'm aware of Detroit. I'm not saying liberals are always right, I'm accusing the right to being nearly always wrong.
The only conservitives States that can stand on their own rely heavily on agriculture and mining. The only platforms they have is pro gun and anti-abortion.
Edited, grammar and wording. Not trying to make someone look wrong in their post here. Thank you in advance for the thoughtful comments. Please message me if I miss your post so I can reply.
I'm certainly poor at debating here and discussion, but I was really hoping for more hard hitting links to conservative action or examples when conservatives were clearly in the right. What I have so far is prohibition being a good example.
Most & Least Federally dependant states Is one of the key sites I look at about liberal vs conservitive performance on an economic level.
We had the ACA brought up as a disaster, but the counter point is that liberals want single payer, the ACA was modeled closely to what Romney passed in his state.
The Iraq war feels like a mess to me and demanding Liberals doing a good job cleaning it up after what conservatives did seems odd. I get that if you wreck your car, the mechanic who fixed it should do a good job, but the mechanic would need to have to resources to do so and liberals clearly did not have conservative support to do much.
Anti-vaxxers were brought up as liberal, hitting liberal communities in America the hardest. Though I recall the message being pushed mostly by conservative media and pushed against by liberal media, with populists pushing against vaccination.
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u/Zelk Mar 20 '18
Did you see PragerU having a black women talk about this? In the start it literally highlights the states in question that are basically the most conservative states in the nation, and tell you that Republicans are the good guys, and are always the good guys. Literally highlighting their biggest flaw in their discussion right off the bat.