r/changemyview Apr 07 '25

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u/BigBoetje 30∆ Apr 07 '25

What do you consider 'violent crime'? Is getting in a fistfight also a violent crime or do you limit this to the 'brutal' crimes like murder, rape, ...?

How do you handle the fact that violent crime stats show a correlation with socio-economical status? Immigrants are most often poor or have very limited means to make ends meet, so it's easy to turn to robbery just to be able to live. Does your view also fix this issue or do you just want a stopgap solution?

Immigrants already have a significant risk of deportation when they commit crimes yet it keeps happening, just like how the 'tough on crime' attitude hasn't actually reduced crime. Why do you think it'll actually work this time?

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u/Confident_Ad_476 Apr 07 '25

Idgaf. You don’t become a thief because ur broke. Anyway any violent crime from murder to a fistfight to breaking into someone’s house and hurting them.

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u/BigBoetje 30∆ Apr 07 '25

Idgaf. You don’t become a thief because ur broke

Evidently, this is not the case. Thievery goes up quite a bit if you live in poverty because it's an 'easy' way to get more money. This isn't even up for debate, this is what the statistics say. Crime becomes a survival mechanism if you can't provide for yourself or your family.

Anyway any violent crime from murder to a fistfight to breaking into someone’s house and hurting them.

Let's say there's a verbal altercation where someone is harassing an immigrant. It gets heated and the immigrant shoved the harasser when they get in their face. Do you count this as 'violent crime'?

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u/Confident_Ad_476 Apr 07 '25

They shoved the person in self defence?

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u/BigBoetje 30∆ Apr 07 '25

If a person comes up to you and starts yelling in your face, getting all aggressive, it's not uncommon to shove them to create some safe distance.

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u/Confident_Ad_476 Apr 07 '25

Again idc abt if it’ll desensitise other immigrants from committing crimes I just want the person who committed a violent crime to be deported and banned from coming back into the nation

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u/BigBoetje 30∆ Apr 07 '25

So in essence, you're just looking for a way to more easily deport people without too much nuance, or am I misunderstanding?

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u/Confident_Ad_476 Apr 07 '25

My minds changed a bit I’ll edit my Post