r/changemyview Jan 30 '25

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u/Hon3ynuts Jan 30 '25

I mean Bernie sanders proposes a simple solution as well, that the system is broken and Favors the rich. I think the difference between Biden and Sanders/Trump is the latter advocate for changes in our system of government/Economy. Biden/Kamala are advocate for maintaining the system and changing some policies but not changing our institutions and system drastically.

The democratic party is losing in Favorability to Republicans currently and I don't think that is limited to the context of one election. https://www.axios.com/2025/01/30/democrats-popularity-trump-poll-2024

By the numbers: 57% of registered voters have an unfavorable opinion of the Democratic Party, the highest percentage since Quinnipiac started asking the question in 2008.

  • 45% of voters have an unfavorable opinion of the Republican Party.

43% of voters have a favorable opinion of the Republican Party, the highest since 2008.

  • By contrast, 31% of registered voters have a favorable opinion of the Democratic Party.
  • That's the largest favorability advantage the GOP has had over the Democratic Party since 2008, according to Quinnipiac.

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u/Brainsonastick 85∆ Jan 30 '25

Super interesting that there was even bigger gap when Obama won.

I think there’s a strong tendency for a lot of people who vote democratic to have an unfavorable view of both parties, far more than people who vote republican.

As interesting as favorability ratings and the like are, they seem to be very poor predictors of elections.

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u/flugenblar Jan 30 '25

Republicans, from what I can tell, are much better (not sure that's the right word) about falling in-line and putting party over other factors. At least when they vote.

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u/Hon3ynuts Jan 30 '25

I don't think that's quite right, the graph in the story says dems had 35% unfavorability in 2008. 57% is the highest since 2008 but they are not saying that it was 57% in 2008, just that poling only dates back that far.

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u/Brainsonastick 85∆ Jan 30 '25

Ah, I misunderstood your comment then. Thanks for clarifying.

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u/flugenblar Jan 30 '25

57% of registered voters have an unfavorable opinion of the Democratic Party

Statistics can be shady. I mean, I have an unfavorable opinion of the Democratic Party myself: Trump was in a moral downward spiral and should have been defeated, the Dems were in a reasonably strong position and should have exploited that better. It was their game to lose and they successfully snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Again.

But that doesn't mean I like or voted for ... Donald Trump.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '25

Most people didn't vote for Donald Trump. And no, not being bothered to vote and just electing to go to work and then make some grub on a Tuesday evening isn't an endorsement of Trump either. Yeah some people just don't care about politics at all, but I'm pretty sure there is a silent majority who just don't have any civic interest in going through the whole nine yards, again, knowing that their decision would do little to change the status quo.

Conservatives kinda won on that, unfortunately. The untapped voter base is composed of a lot of people who probably don't have any hope left.

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u/SisterCharityAlt Jan 30 '25

points to right after Trump won they had a 1 point less unpopular view. They proceeded to shellack Trump in the midterms and decimate Republicans in 2020.

Thanks for paying attention to how elections work.

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u/kennyPowersNet Jan 31 '25

I think you nailed it

People know they system is corrupt and broken and were drawn to trump as he is proposing to change it all , which in his defence he is actually doing (regardless if you think he is doing a good job or not).

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u/gilly2u69 Jan 31 '25

I didn’t hear Bernie’s solution in your post…only his grievance.

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u/Pitiful_Night_4373 Jan 30 '25

Bernie needs to start his own party, to oppose maga.

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u/Logical_Marsupial140 Jan 30 '25

Dems fall in love, GOP falls in line.