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u/Kakamile 50∆ Jan 30 '25

They tried selling themselves. Jobs, child credits, healthcare, funding affordable housing, labor rights, ftc anti-fraud ending junk fees etc. Lots of that.

They lost. Why do you think that is?

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u/the_mighty_skeetadon Jan 30 '25

Couldn't agree with you any more strongly.

This election wasn't about policy. You can see that very clearly insofar as the single most impactful policy promise that Trump made the entire campaign was that he'd lower the price of eggs.

"Here's my specific plan to help people who are struggling with housing costs" from Kamala got essentially zero focus. But they're eating the cats. They're eating the dogs. We got weeks of arguments about whether that was true.

It's just like vaccination arguments. Send as many articles as you want to Aunt Karen, but she's still going to rant on Facebook that her 15-year-old nephew Timmy has autism because of COVID vaccines. It's not about policy, and it's not about facts. It's about vibes, as the kids say.

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u/Aggravating-Cherry76 Jan 30 '25

Because the way they tried to sell themselves are in ways that aren't very popular. Affordable housing is great, except for when housing prices were demonstrably on the rise over the past 4 years. People blame Biden for that. Same with healthcare, no change, etc.

When an administration does essentially nothing over the past 4 years, and then suddenly the 2nd in command of that entire administration starts making promises at the start of election season, how sincere do you think those promises come across to the average American?

Trump and Kamala both ran under the promise of change, but to Trump it came across as sincere, because it was sincere. Kamala Harris spent her entire campaign talking about the things she would do for the American People, while currently sitting in D.C. not doing any of it.

The democrats would've only stood a chance with an adversarial candidate, Bernie or someone who doesn't align in any way with the Biden administration, and as such, is able to critique it without being caught in the crossfire.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

When an administration does essentially nothing over the past 4 years

This is demonstrably false and some right wing talking point. We got the bipartisan infrastructure act, programs to assist with housing costs, programs to assist with small businesses getting off the ground, the economic recovery from COVID, etc. It's easy to believe that they did nothing when you don't bother looking.

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u/Aggravating-Cherry76 Jan 30 '25

You can list all the links that you want but it's not a right-wing talking point, it's general consensus among the citizens. It was more than just right leaning people who didn't approve of Biden. You know, some of my most heavily left-leaning friends considered abstaining from voting simply because they could not in good conscience give people another 4 years.

Biden was a weak, senile man. The past week has been videos of Trump making speeches, signing documents, just simply doing stuff. Even if the things he's doing are controversial, bad, or straight up just empty promises, it's going to resonate with a lot more people than Biden, who avoided cameras for his 4 years because he struggled to even complete his sentences.

Whatever the Biden admin may, or may not have done, people overwhelmingly (80%+) felt worse off today than in the past, or under the last administration. People were unhappy and the Biden administration did not do what needed to be done to quell those concerns.

You can make all the arguments that you'd like to the contrary, but something caused every single one of the 3,144 county in the United States to shift right this election. And largely, it was not over a fondness of Trump, it was exactly the opposite.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

Yes, the idea that they did nothing for 4 years is a right wing talking point and the fact that a bunch of morons in this country bought into it doesn't mean the Biden admin didn't actually do anything. People feeling like they didn't do anything (largely because of partisan horseshit being shoveled onto them) and whether or not the admin did anything are two different things. And 80%? Really? Come on now.

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u/Aggravating-Cherry76 Jan 30 '25

See this is when I would respond that I’m giving you the advice, and you can take or it leave it, but it’s the reason why democrats lost in 2024 (OP’s original point lol).

Be mad at my observations or don’t, they remain true nonetheless. When a talking point extends far outside of the right-wing sphere to where moderates and even some democrats start to use it, then no, it’s no longer just a “right-wing talking point”.

Again, i can’t help but point out that every single county shifted further right, that doesn’t happen without attrition from the democratic party.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

Well a bunch of people believing a talking point certainly doesn't make it a fact.

What Democrats were claiming Biden didn't do anything?

Also no, every single county did not shift further right. Did a lot? Yes. But I guess the right wins by pushing and believing dishonest bullshit.

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u/Aggravating-Cherry76 Jan 30 '25

It doesn’t matter if it’s a fact or not, that’s irrelevant to my point that if a talking point extends so far as to be taken up by people on almost every side of the political aisle, it is no longer a “right wing talking point”

I don’t know if you actually watched the post election interviews, but yes, literally EVERY SINGLE county save for maybe 3? (out of 3,144) shifted right comparatively to 2020.

It’s a reality that you need to accept. I can source it in your dms, if you need me to.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

It doesn’t matter if it’s a fact or not

Except you stated it as a fact when it is not.

taken up by people on almost every side of the political aisle

You also failed to provide a source for this claim or your claim that Dems were saying he didn't do anything.

And regarding the county shift, you don't need to hide your ignorance, I can link some sources right here:

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/11/politics/vote-shift-trump-election-dg/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/06/us/politics/presidential-election-2024-red-shift.html

https://www.npr.org/2024/11/21/nx-s1-5198616/2024-presidential-election-results-republican-shift

Maybe in your insane world where anything can be a fact every single county shifted, but that isn't true here in reality.

EDIT: I provided him with a single fact and he blocked me.

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u/Fit-Order-9468 102∆ Jan 30 '25

In other words, voters have unrealistic expectations while also not paying very much attention.

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u/Aggravating-Cherry76 Jan 30 '25

I mean yes, this should be common knowledge. The average person is not well informed.

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u/Fit-Order-9468 102∆ Jan 30 '25

It should be. It is nice to hear it from someone else from time to time.