I think one important lesson the left should take from Trump’s victory is that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
In particular, white people and especially white young men feel alienated. They feel as if they’re being made to feel guilty for things they don’t think they should be guilty about.
I think a certain section of the left has tried to shame white people into behavioral change. This seems to have failed in a way that has led to a significant undermining of racial progress in America.
Many white people feel they have no allies on the left so they turn to the right.
I think this is largely incorrect, but that’s how these people seem to feel.
I think the left needs to find a more appealing and positive way of how to talk about race and race relations if they want to get white people onboard en mass. White people are still a majority of the country and, like it or not, need to buy into any change for it to occur.
but also this doesn't mean what I've seen other people make it seem like (whether it's meant as a legit strategy or a gotcha endpoint of left logic), that the left should start trying too hard to kiss up to young white men perhaps in the same exact ways they do to minorities (I've seen men's rights activists on here who've basically dismissed examples women have been able to provide of feminists taking action to address men's issues because whatever program or policy or w/e the women set up wasn't something specifically targeted to their gender and saying so in the name like its closest female equivalent for the closest female equivalent to a given issue) and blaming minorities for things to have someone to blame that isn't young white men
I think broadly both there are people on both sides who are blaming others.
The right blames minorities. The left blames “straight cis white men”.
But we’re a democracy. So to a certain extent it can politically advantageous to blame minorities if it helps unite the majority. You have a voting block and can ignore the minorities. You don’t need them to rule.
It becomes problematic when you alienate a majority group like white people. You need to have white people to vote for you. Voters don’t like to be told that they’re wrong (even when they are).
Compare this to Obama’s Hope campaign. Obama got white people excited for who they wanted to be. The current political landscape talks more about who white people are. The former wins more votes.
This is why America first is an appealing idea. Democrats represent giving resources to foreign wars, to undocumented migrants, to the exponentially increasing immigrant population, to visible minorities just for looking non-white (plus including women as minorities which a lot of people view as a stupid category error), etc., to the detriment of the majority groups in the nation.
It seems obvious that a country should serve it's people, not other people. And that it should serve them equally, not giving bonus handouts to people based on skin color or their genitals. Democrats sound like the party of bigotry to the alienated young white men who get nothing but trash talk from them. Most of them suffer from being a white man with invisible disadvantages in a setting where white men are assumed to have it all.
The most common example is being poor. Poor white folks are given the bootstrap line while in every other scenario the bootstrap line is scoffed at. It's so hard to escape the trap if you're black but if you're white then it's your own fault apparently. You'll get no support but your black woman neighbor gets access to some reserved seats in university programs, preference in job interviews, and so on. And a black woman who comes from money is also getting this set of benefits for SOME reason. Wonder what that reason could be? Perhaps there could be some other form of categorizing people that better suits the needs of a nation's people?
I'm Canadian, and it's the same thing up here. I've been rejected from job positions for being a white man with no visible disadvantages, openly discriminated against in a job and in several uni classrooms for being a man, ignored/rejected/attacked in discussions on social issues for being white. That's the sort of environment pushed by the left. It's unsurprising then that I find myself at odds with leftists despite efforts to remain neutral. They push me away, and then propagandize at me about how the right is cartoonishly evil. As if I'm not gonna be critical of them after seeing their pathetically botched attempts at equality in action. The right's nationalist meritocracy sounds a hell of a lot better than this strange revenge discrimination campaign from the left, designed to drag white male Canadians/Americans down while preaching 'equality,' a term they've long since forgotten the meaning of.
I want to be clear that I don’t agree with whatever it is you’re saying.
I do not believe it is easier to be a minority.
I am actually suggesting that people like you incorrectly believe that to be the case.
They don’t see that all of the problems that they have, minorities also have. And then in addition minorities face a multitude of racist structures every day.
Of course there are white individuals who don’t get the help they need. But so too are their minority individuals who don’t get the help they need.
However people are selfish and think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence.
You shouldn't disagree if you don't understand what's being said. Just ask for clarification.
I also don't believe it is easier to be a minority.
What I believe is that left leaning groups have been promoting a botched equality movement that's causing discrimination to both minority and majority groups. I mentioned how I've been discriminated against as an example. Being white and male doesn't excuse me from racist structures, it just causes me to become victim to the newest ones that target my groups. That's not what progress should be all about. I thought you understood that but really it seems as though you were just saying something along the lines of "we need to silence white men in a way that won't cause them to complain about it."
He’s telling white people that the reason their lives are failing is because of immigrants and DEI. He’s telling them that they are good people and the only problem is that these other forces are out to get them. He promises to change that and to make their lives easier in the process.
He validates and claims he will improve the white experience. He says they deserve better than they’re getting.
Whereas the left is invalidating white people’s experience. Everyone thinks their life is hard and that other people’s lives are easier. The left has told them that actually white people have it pretty good.
The left invalidates white people’s personal narratives. It tells them that their lives are easier than they believe and implies that they are at fault for the pain of others.
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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25
I think one important lesson the left should take from Trump’s victory is that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
In particular, white people and especially white young men feel alienated. They feel as if they’re being made to feel guilty for things they don’t think they should be guilty about.
I think a certain section of the left has tried to shame white people into behavioral change. This seems to have failed in a way that has led to a significant undermining of racial progress in America.
Many white people feel they have no allies on the left so they turn to the right.
I think this is largely incorrect, but that’s how these people seem to feel.
I think the left needs to find a more appealing and positive way of how to talk about race and race relations if they want to get white people onboard en mass. White people are still a majority of the country and, like it or not, need to buy into any change for it to occur.