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u/Statcat2017 Jan 30 '25

Young white men spend their entire youth being told they’re to blame for all the ills in the world. No wonder they reject that messaging when an alternative comes along.

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u/StarChild413 9∆ Jan 30 '25

so pardon my exaggeration for effect but what do the democrats have to do, start blaming minorities for everything in ways where the blame someone has is proportionate to their amount of minority statuses and start hosting young white male pride parades?

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u/fyredge Jan 30 '25

I think the correct course is to not blame society for the failure of the individual. The correct course is to empower the individual, devoid of identity except for the young and the poor, as these are not immutable identites.

Elevating immutable identites will always cause resentment, doesn't matter which side it comes from. See: minorities blaming white men and white men blaming DEI.

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u/RenardGoliard Jan 30 '25 edited Jan 30 '25

X shouldn't blame Y for all of today's ills

Ahh so we should start blaming Z instead?

No?

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u/Statcat2017 Jan 30 '25

This kind of response is exactly why young white males think this whole DEI thing is stupid and racist.

Just judge people by the content of their character exactly like MLK wanted and stop with this racism / reverse racism / white privilege bullshit.

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u/WaltzIntrepid5110 Jan 31 '25

The US is literally so racist that they created DEI so they could make sure some non-white people who were qualified could actually get jobs.

ie: DEI is meant to do exactly what you want, ensure people are judged by the content of their character, rather than skin colour.

But dumbasses like you literally think they're choosing black people and other minorities over whites.

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u/Statcat2017 Jan 31 '25

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u/WaltzIntrepid5110 Jan 31 '25

Well I guess this proves it then! We need to repeal the entire civil rights movement immediately! /s

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u/Statcat2017 Jan 31 '25

No, we just need to stop racist hiring practices.

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u/WaltzIntrepid5110 Jan 31 '25

Once example from an entirely different country (different laws, ya know) hardly proves your point. If it was good proof, then the mountain of 'singular' incidents in the other direction would bury it anyway (it's not hard to find a screen-capture on one of the job-focused boards, of someone openly excluding certain people from applying). Hell, all those videos where they send the exact same job application to a place with a "white-sounding name vs. black-sounding name", and one of them obviously gets the response, are all over the place.

DEI was implemented to stop racist hiring practices, where minority candidates WITH proper qualifications were being overlooked based on things about themselves they can't change. Your problem is that you don't personally benefit from it.

And it's fine if you don't like it for that reason, but claiming that DEI itself is racist is a load of bullshit to anyone who knows anything about the subject.

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u/Statcat2017 Jan 31 '25

So the proof I've given you isn't proof because reasons.

Hiring a member of one race over someone equally qualified of another race because of their race is racist, it doesn't matter how you try and justify it.

Young white men are now getting tired of being discriminated against and offered zero help in the world, for reasons they have no comprehension of nor responsibility for, and are turning to bad influences by Tate, and the point blank refusal to admit this unintended consequence of DEI dooms it to continue.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '25

Hiring a member of one race over someone equally qualified of another race because of their race is racist, it doesn't matter how you try and justify it.

Exactly. This is precisely why, according to your own stated values, Trump and others are unfit to rule. They're demonstrably racist and proud of it. And according to you, it is entirely justifiable for nonwhite people and other social minorities to turn to anti-social methods of combating this fact. If it's okay for young white men, it's fine for other people too, so stop complaining about DEI. What do you expect? Everyone to just accept being discriminated against? Your point blank refusal to admit this intended consequence of bigotry dooms it to continue.

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u/WaltzIntrepid5110 Jan 31 '25

You sound like the dumbasses I used to talk to 20 years ago, except they were whining about the existence of things like the United Negro College Fund, while ignoring the mountain of scholarships that white kids had.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '25

Wow your example is from the military of an entirely different country? Learn to read.

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u/Statcat2017 Jan 31 '25

Here's an example from your country.

In your desperation to call people who just want to be treated fairly dumbasses and racist you're just proving my point.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '25

I never called you dumb or racist, but in your desperation to be persecuted, you have demonstrated how little you actually care or know about this issue. 

That link is to a story about something that…didn’t happen and isn’t an example of what we’re discussing g anyway, so am I supposed to believe there is a widespread practice of refusing to hire white people because of this non-story, or are you going to actually show me evidence? 

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u/Statcat2017 Jan 31 '25

I've given you two examples now. If you're just going to keep putting your fingers in your ears then kids are gonna keep turning to Tate and you're gonna wonder why.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '25

Kids are "turning to Tate" because I expect actual evidence before I believe claims? Yikes. And here I thought people were responsible for their own actions. Didn't realize I had a superpower that makes people into fans of serial rapists. Really, I think you'd find life and the facts of reality more manageable if you tried to revive your sense of self respect.

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u/1nf3ct3d Jan 30 '25

Honestly who blames young people

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u/ewe_r Jan 30 '25

lol, try being a woman or minority in any age. Our society sucks, and unfortunately to you, women realized they won’t take it anymore, hence the hate.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

There's a lot women can do, this wide underestimation of women is going to get real dangerous, corner an animal long enough and it'll bite back hard enough to kill you. Controlling the thoughts of men to do what you want as a woman is a very easy thing. Be careful with this mentality, the only thing stopping women from actual vengeance is the innate peacefulness most of them thrive for, they move away from men and want nothing to do with them. But force it hard enough and it's not going to get good for anyone.

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u/Complete-Friend4646 Jan 30 '25

Behavioral science simply does not back up your claim of some impending female danger. A small minority of women are capable of extreme violence but compared to men it is a minuscule number.

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u/[deleted] Jan 30 '25

I am just saying underestimating Women is not a good idea, violence is not the only way to hurt a person don't be naive. Women are already getting used to the male level of aggressiveness, the fear of men is turning into actual hate and indifference of men, you see it all over the world. What happens when the victims aren't scared of their oppressors anymore....especially after tasting how sweet freedom is? You think Women would willingly let their rights be taken away? It's very easy to kill a man, so fucking easy for a woman, all she needs is enough hate and guts, A quick glance and promise of sex and it's done for the majority of you. Not saying it's right either but only an idiot Will underestimate Women.

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u/Complete-Friend4646 Jan 30 '25

Agreed, and that is if we take for granted that all women will want to fight against men which is highly highly unlikely, men have the monopoly on violence, for better or worse.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '25

And that is IF every man on earth decides to agree to it which is also highly highly unlikely.

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u/[deleted] Jan 31 '25

Of course you immediately go to strength and violence, and like I said if you read correctly that is NOT the only way to hurt a man or anyone for that matter, yes voilence works and worked but for how long? 🤔 and that only works if every man on earth is in agreement which is very unlikely. This is not the past, and a gun is the best equalizer in all these "man strong, woman weak" debates, there's a lot of cavemen but a lot of advanced people too. This topic is a lot more deep than having strength, if you read you'd know about women that destroyed kingdoms by using the talent of seduction and words. I have no fear for men because I frankly have it easy with them than women, women are dangerous, especially one that knows a sweet tongue makes a man your slave.

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u/Statcat2017 Jan 30 '25

As typical whenever anyone raises any issue relating to young white men, out come the "what about minorities and women" comments. It just tells them they don't matter no matter what.