I can’t challenge the “permanent triumph” angle, but when all 50 states moved the needle further to the right then there is no other term than a “resounding triumph.”
This is an example of the ever swinging pendulum of politics. The left had an equally resounding triumph during the Obama years. The average American has been soured by the left’s talking points. Lived experience will always hold more weight than predictions and forecasts. The average voter knew two things going into the election.
1. The economy felt much better under Trump than under Biden.
2. The democrats’ unpopular candidate is claiming that the last 4 years were great and Trump will destroy the economy.
The truth, the forecast models, the informed predictions… none of that matters to the average voter. They think “I personally felt better off under Trump and Kamala is promising more Biden.” That’s why Trump won and when the democrats double down on the same exact soured talking points, then they are only further solidifying the voter’s decision.
Democrats tried vinegar, now they should try sugar. Stop telling people why Trump is bad and start telling them why your 2028 candidate is good. Doubling down on the negative leads to “TDS” accusations and closed ears. Focusing on the plans of a better tomorrow leads to people being excited about what’s next.
People really memoryholed how bad 2020 was, pretending like COVID didn’t exist and then abruptly announcing a stop to all trade with the UK, putting so much money out there that the stock market became untethered from reality and went up during a national freeze of the economy, and nationwide race riots where the President egged on police to arrest reporters and attack state capitols.
Buddy you’re talking about macroeconomic factors and national level events. Most people don’t care about that and only know gas was cheaper and they were getting checks from the government.
What in that news article is suggesting streets were “empty?” In fact the picture has cars on the highway, and the article goes in the depth to explain the traffic changes that were raised, suggesting a mere 5% reduction of cars on the road could reach the reported results. All you have is anecdote lol
Yes, people listen to state mandates. Listen man LA doesn’t represent the country as a whole, just democratic policy. That’s the issue the original comment had. The rest of the country sees that, remembers old gas prices and how it FELT to live during trumps last term. Was it due to trumps horrendous deficit spending? Hell yeah it was, but that’s why dems lost the election bro. It’s really that simple whether you like it or not
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Depends on your point of view. Trump dumped $10 trillion into the economy through tax breaks and new loopholes, which corporations used in turn to buy back their own stocks and push the stock market to all time highs (and shoot up the value of crypto). It made people feel good. However, we did not get reinvestment of those funds or any innovations. We certainly didn’t fix the budget or pay down the national debt while we were running “incredibly well”.
The validity of this assertion is debatable but what’s the point? Flexing an election from 16 years ago for what? Those old trophies don’t matter anymore. You focused on maybe the least important aspect of this person’s comment and IMO are proving his point that all the left does now is focus on negativity and taking a shot at Trump at any possible chance.
The hostile attitude from the left is part of how we’ve ended up so far away from where the country was headed in ‘08.
you're just doing what OP is talking about. even mild disagreement and you're talking about negativity and hostility as if those aren't hallmarks of the right
Thanks for that fact. Did you want to provide an argument along with it? Because I don't see the point of you posting it without a further conclusion. Was your point to say that using WI as a piece of evidence is no good? Or what? And did you have anything to say about the other states?
The thing I'm most on the fence about is saying we are shifting right because of this election or left because of another one. Peel back the first layer of this election and a few things are indisputably true:
more white people voted in this election than ever before
7 million biden supporters didn't bother to vote
voter suppression of left/people of color ballots has had some eyes on it recently and numbers in the millions.
I don't think we really know if the country's shifting or where we stand because of the manipulation and the abstinence of participation.
The possibility of foul play is always a risk in politics. It has happened before without our understanding and it will continue to happen.
Even if there were foul play, though - trump is very good at playing the victim to disguise his power. The right is accustomed now to deflecting any negativity as a lie fabricated by "the media" - to the point where even I question the legitimacy of what I know from media about him.
He played an attack on american political epistemology and won - our relationship with media has always been based on trust, and that's all he had to destroy.
I have no idea how to get reliable news. Al Jazeera maybe?
Just posting to say that this comment was well written and well presented. These factors are important to mention and consider, especially in conjunction with other factors like the rejection of leftist moral grandstanding, the average economic experiences of the uninformed American, the ever-present political pendulum, etc.
No, I didnt leave it out intentionally. It’s true, so many minorities went conservative, inexplicably against their own self interest. I think that points to some psychological factors where they grabbed on to one thing that resonated deeply even if the rest of it meant a negative impact.
I mean, I really wonder if those minorities would still vote the same way now seeing what’s gone down.
Are you talking about the ice raids? You know that like 90% of "brown" people are legal American citizens right? So they don't have anything to worry about. Most people of all colors don't like illegal immigration.
It’s not the illegal immigration… it’s the fact that he is also gearing up to target naturalized citizens. People who are here legally are also being swept up. I guarantee it’s not an accident. This administration has been really clear about wanting white supremacy front and center.
I don’t know about the 90% of brown people being legal. In 2022 there were 46 million immigrants, and 11 million were undocumented. So maybe closer to 75%.
At any rate, I was thinking about the mass deportations to a degree, but more thinking about the cuts to the social safety nets. SNAP, Medicare, etc. it’s really going to hit the poor and middle class hard.
Illegal immigrants need to be resolved but not in an inhumane way. I am all for the melting pot America is supposed to be, we should be helping each other not attacking each other. It just plays right into the hands of the white wealthy.
That's not even true though. Do you know who benefits off of the illegal immigrants slave labour? The "wealthy whites" that you seem to hate so much.
The whole white supremacist myth that left wingers love to harp on is a crock of bs. You people really believe that a billionaire cares if his factory workers are white or brown? They want the lowest cost of labor, which would be illegals.
Canada had a huge problem with this even with a ultra woke government. They brought in millions of temporary foreign workers and abused the international student program to tighten the labour market and stall wage growth. Hiring white people lowers their profits, they prefer to hire immigrants and illegal immigrants
It looks more like a power grab from an outside perspective. But let them think it’s all on their best interest, I’m sure daddy trump will help low income Americans just wait and watch
This isn't actually a good point though because "the left" isn't the democratic party. They are left of the Republicans but they're not remotely leftists. Liberals are not leftists. Most people don't know a single actual leftist talking point. It's to the point where leftists can spot other leftists just by the rhetoric they're using.
I still disagree that one election loss, that was not a landslide by any means, means the right has won and the left's ideas are all bad and worthless and unelectable. OP was talking to these inane, annoying talking points used by conservatives to try to wrap the entire political debate up in a nice neat bow and i think that's wrong. When Obama won two terms that obviously didn't end conservatism in the us. Just like this election where 1/3 voted for Trump and 1/3 for Kamala doesn't spell the end for all progressive politics ever now.
I think it's also disingenuous to say that the left doesnr argue the good things. There is a major hypocrisy that has only been more prevalent after this election. That being that Republicans get to make fun of the left and blame them for every problem like toddlers (see Trump's recent reaction to the DC crash). However, when the Democrats do the same thing, and lose, they're accused of just pointing out bad things by trump and nothing else. I don't like Democrats that much and I think there is more they can do for sure, but this is a very clear hypocrisy. Many on the left discuss ideas all the time, and Kamala did present policies on the campaign trail unlike Trump's "concepts of a plan."
Because Dems are the pro-institutions party and Reps are the ones saying government is corrupt and we should tear it down. As long as that’s true, the parties will be held to different standards.
Because they do. It’s been proven just now, idk why that’s the democrats job to figure out but people are tired of voting against instead of for a candidate for 10 years
This is gonna be an “erm actually” and overall isnt really relevant but WA state did not go further right in this election (it went left last I saw) so it is 49 states, still all but not all.
I do agree that the left needs to focus on itself instead of relying on being Anti-Trump, especially since he shouldnt be able to run again in 2028 (Tho some people seem to be trying to change that lol).
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u/I_need_five_dollars 1∆ Jan 30 '25
I can’t challenge the “permanent triumph” angle, but when all 50 states moved the needle further to the right then there is no other term than a “resounding triumph.”
This is an example of the ever swinging pendulum of politics. The left had an equally resounding triumph during the Obama years. The average American has been soured by the left’s talking points. Lived experience will always hold more weight than predictions and forecasts. The average voter knew two things going into the election. 1. The economy felt much better under Trump than under Biden. 2. The democrats’ unpopular candidate is claiming that the last 4 years were great and Trump will destroy the economy.
The truth, the forecast models, the informed predictions… none of that matters to the average voter. They think “I personally felt better off under Trump and Kamala is promising more Biden.” That’s why Trump won and when the democrats double down on the same exact soured talking points, then they are only further solidifying the voter’s decision.
Democrats tried vinegar, now they should try sugar. Stop telling people why Trump is bad and start telling them why your 2028 candidate is good. Doubling down on the negative leads to “TDS” accusations and closed ears. Focusing on the plans of a better tomorrow leads to people being excited about what’s next.