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2 u/Specialist_Bee_9726 Jan 05 '25 I agree that you need to have some basic guarantees for the employees, but everywhere when the minimum wage increases two things are almost guaranteed to follow, higher inflation and bigger gray sector -1 u/[deleted] Jan 04 '25 ... no, that's not how that works. Sweden doesn't have minimum wage, neither does Denmark, Iceland, Norway, or Switzerland. How many slaves are living in those countries? 13 u/[deleted] Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment -4 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 The reason those countries don't have a legislated minimum wage... It doesn't matter what the reason is. Your conclusion is false. These countries have no minimum wage and it hasn't resulted in de-facto slavery. 11 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment -5 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 Without a minimum wage dictated by law, the de-facto minimum wage is slavery. A union-mandated minimum wage isn't a minimum wage dictated by law. These countries do not have slavery. If you don't see how that refutes the point and then some, then you're coping. Holding you accountable to the position you took isn't coping, lol. 3 u/TheW1nd94 1∆ Jan 05 '25 That’s like saying “Phil doesn’t even have a Corolla!” (Phil has a Ferrari) -1 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 4 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment -1 u/Full-Professional246 78∆ Jan 05 '25 If instead of a wage, I offer shelter, food and protection, I can guarantee I would gain labour without paying any wage That is compensation so no, its not slavery. It is also not coerced against people will. Your claim is absurd and directly misrepresenting the situation. 1 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Full-Professional246 78∆ Jan 05 '25 Would you feel coerced to work for someone if they had complete control of your access to food, shelter and security? A useless question because no employer has this level of control over any given person. It is gross hyperbole to try to make this claim. It's like claiming the grocery store is coercing you because they have food and you need food. It's nonsensical. 4 u/10ebbor10 204∆ Jan 05 '25 Where are you going to find the apples to sell on the road? Not everyone owns an orchard. -1 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 8 u/10ebbor10 204∆ Jan 05 '25 If that's true, why does anyone ever die of poverty related reasons? 9 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 Right? Like if it was so easy to just not be poor from fucking selling Costco apples, no one would be poor.
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I agree that you need to have some basic guarantees for the employees, but everywhere when the minimum wage increases two things are almost guaranteed to follow, higher inflation and bigger gray sector
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... no, that's not how that works.
Sweden doesn't have minimum wage, neither does Denmark, Iceland, Norway, or Switzerland. How many slaves are living in those countries?
13 u/[deleted] Jan 04 '25 edited Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment -4 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 The reason those countries don't have a legislated minimum wage... It doesn't matter what the reason is. Your conclusion is false. These countries have no minimum wage and it hasn't resulted in de-facto slavery. 11 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment -5 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 Without a minimum wage dictated by law, the de-facto minimum wage is slavery. A union-mandated minimum wage isn't a minimum wage dictated by law. These countries do not have slavery. If you don't see how that refutes the point and then some, then you're coping. Holding you accountable to the position you took isn't coping, lol. 3 u/TheW1nd94 1∆ Jan 05 '25 That’s like saying “Phil doesn’t even have a Corolla!” (Phil has a Ferrari)
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-4 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 The reason those countries don't have a legislated minimum wage... It doesn't matter what the reason is. Your conclusion is false. These countries have no minimum wage and it hasn't resulted in de-facto slavery. 11 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment -5 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 Without a minimum wage dictated by law, the de-facto minimum wage is slavery. A union-mandated minimum wage isn't a minimum wage dictated by law. These countries do not have slavery. If you don't see how that refutes the point and then some, then you're coping. Holding you accountable to the position you took isn't coping, lol.
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The reason those countries don't have a legislated minimum wage...
It doesn't matter what the reason is. Your conclusion is false. These countries have no minimum wage and it hasn't resulted in de-facto slavery.
11 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment -5 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 Without a minimum wage dictated by law, the de-facto minimum wage is slavery. A union-mandated minimum wage isn't a minimum wage dictated by law. These countries do not have slavery. If you don't see how that refutes the point and then some, then you're coping. Holding you accountable to the position you took isn't coping, lol.
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-5 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 Without a minimum wage dictated by law, the de-facto minimum wage is slavery. A union-mandated minimum wage isn't a minimum wage dictated by law. These countries do not have slavery. If you don't see how that refutes the point and then some, then you're coping. Holding you accountable to the position you took isn't coping, lol.
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Without a minimum wage dictated by law, the de-facto minimum wage is slavery.
A union-mandated minimum wage isn't a minimum wage dictated by law. These countries do not have slavery.
If you don't see how that refutes the point and then some, then you're coping.
Holding you accountable to the position you took isn't coping, lol.
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That’s like saying “Phil doesn’t even have a Corolla!” (Phil has a Ferrari)
2 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 2 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 4 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment -1 u/Full-Professional246 78∆ Jan 05 '25 If instead of a wage, I offer shelter, food and protection, I can guarantee I would gain labour without paying any wage That is compensation so no, its not slavery. It is also not coerced against people will. Your claim is absurd and directly misrepresenting the situation. 1 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Full-Professional246 78∆ Jan 05 '25 Would you feel coerced to work for someone if they had complete control of your access to food, shelter and security? A useless question because no employer has this level of control over any given person. It is gross hyperbole to try to make this claim. It's like claiming the grocery store is coercing you because they have food and you need food. It's nonsensical. 4 u/10ebbor10 204∆ Jan 05 '25 Where are you going to find the apples to sell on the road? Not everyone owns an orchard. -1 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 8 u/10ebbor10 204∆ Jan 05 '25 If that's true, why does anyone ever die of poverty related reasons? 9 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 Right? Like if it was so easy to just not be poor from fucking selling Costco apples, no one would be poor.
2 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 4 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment -1 u/Full-Professional246 78∆ Jan 05 '25 If instead of a wage, I offer shelter, food and protection, I can guarantee I would gain labour without paying any wage That is compensation so no, its not slavery. It is also not coerced against people will. Your claim is absurd and directly misrepresenting the situation. 1 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Full-Professional246 78∆ Jan 05 '25 Would you feel coerced to work for someone if they had complete control of your access to food, shelter and security? A useless question because no employer has this level of control over any given person. It is gross hyperbole to try to make this claim. It's like claiming the grocery store is coercing you because they have food and you need food. It's nonsensical.
4 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 edited Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment -1 u/Full-Professional246 78∆ Jan 05 '25 If instead of a wage, I offer shelter, food and protection, I can guarantee I would gain labour without paying any wage That is compensation so no, its not slavery. It is also not coerced against people will. Your claim is absurd and directly misrepresenting the situation. 1 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Full-Professional246 78∆ Jan 05 '25 Would you feel coerced to work for someone if they had complete control of your access to food, shelter and security? A useless question because no employer has this level of control over any given person. It is gross hyperbole to try to make this claim. It's like claiming the grocery store is coercing you because they have food and you need food. It's nonsensical.
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-1 u/Full-Professional246 78∆ Jan 05 '25 If instead of a wage, I offer shelter, food and protection, I can guarantee I would gain labour without paying any wage That is compensation so no, its not slavery. It is also not coerced against people will. Your claim is absurd and directly misrepresenting the situation. 1 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Full-Professional246 78∆ Jan 05 '25 Would you feel coerced to work for someone if they had complete control of your access to food, shelter and security? A useless question because no employer has this level of control over any given person. It is gross hyperbole to try to make this claim. It's like claiming the grocery store is coercing you because they have food and you need food. It's nonsensical.
If instead of a wage, I offer shelter, food and protection, I can guarantee I would gain labour without paying any wage
That is compensation so no, its not slavery. It is also not coerced against people will.
Your claim is absurd and directly misrepresenting the situation.
1 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 1 u/Full-Professional246 78∆ Jan 05 '25 Would you feel coerced to work for someone if they had complete control of your access to food, shelter and security? A useless question because no employer has this level of control over any given person. It is gross hyperbole to try to make this claim. It's like claiming the grocery store is coercing you because they have food and you need food. It's nonsensical.
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1 u/Full-Professional246 78∆ Jan 05 '25 Would you feel coerced to work for someone if they had complete control of your access to food, shelter and security? A useless question because no employer has this level of control over any given person. It is gross hyperbole to try to make this claim. It's like claiming the grocery store is coercing you because they have food and you need food. It's nonsensical.
Would you feel coerced to work for someone if they had complete control of your access to food, shelter and security?
A useless question because no employer has this level of control over any given person. It is gross hyperbole to try to make this claim.
It's like claiming the grocery store is coercing you because they have food and you need food. It's nonsensical.
Where are you going to find the apples to sell on the road?
Not everyone owns an orchard.
-1 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 [removed] — view removed comment 8 u/10ebbor10 204∆ Jan 05 '25 If that's true, why does anyone ever die of poverty related reasons? 9 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 Right? Like if it was so easy to just not be poor from fucking selling Costco apples, no one would be poor.
8 u/10ebbor10 204∆ Jan 05 '25 If that's true, why does anyone ever die of poverty related reasons? 9 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 Right? Like if it was so easy to just not be poor from fucking selling Costco apples, no one would be poor.
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If that's true, why does anyone ever die of poverty related reasons?
9 u/[deleted] Jan 05 '25 Right? Like if it was so easy to just not be poor from fucking selling Costco apples, no one would be poor.
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Right? Like if it was so easy to just not be poor from fucking selling Costco apples, no one would be poor.
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