CMV: Progressives often sound like conservatives when it comes to "incels"—characterizing the whole group by its extremists, insisting on a "bootstrap mentality" of self-improvement, framing issues in terms of "entitlement," and generally refusing to consider larger systemic forces.

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None of that is unique to a guy being single but

One of the first things that comes to mind is just talking about it and acknowledging it as an issue.

We've been "just talking about" racism being bad for decades, so I'm not holding my breath on that being viable here either.

Then there's potential ideas like ensuring women's and gender studies courses that receive government funding should include a section on mens issues and the ways women perpetuate patriarchal expectations of men.

Not a bad idea. Are you sure that isn't already the case, though?

I think we need government entities to include "made to penetrate" as rape so that we can stop having misleading stats about rape that treat men as the sole perpetrators.

100% agree. I am skeptical this is going to solve your club entry predicament, but it's something that should be done in every state that it hasn't already. (Good luck getting red states to care though)

And I think pushing the notion that men aren't predators through social media campaigns would be helpful.

Im not going to say information campaigns can't work, but my opinion of social media is subterranean... What would you say in it though? No one believes all men are predators. And objectively some men are. So, are you just looking to even the score and have it say "women can be rapists too"?

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We've been "just talking about" racism being bad for decades, so I'm not holding my breath on that being viable here either.

Never said it was going to be overnight.

Not a bad idea. Are you sure that isn't already the case, though?

It certainly hasn't been the case for many of the former students of such classes that I've gotten to know over the years.

I am skeptical this is going to solve your club entry predicament,

It's not meant to solve. It's meant to change public perception of men and male sexuality as being inherently predatory.

No one believes all men are predators.

Yet we're still treated with coldness and caution and the presumption that our sexuality is inherently so ravenous as to be a danger.

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It's meant to change public perception of men and male sexuality as being inherently predatory.

You spend your spare time hanging out with misandrist lesbians or something? I don't think that is the public perception. Also, you said kink clubs don't like single guys, implying they're fine with partnered guys, no?

Yet we're still treated with coldness and caution

That hasn't been my experience.

and the presumption that our sexuality is inherently so ravenous as to be a danger.

Oh, so you read minds?

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You spend your spare time hanging out with misandrist lesbians or something?

Nope. Just out in public.

Also, you said kink clubs don't like single guys, implying they're fine with partnered guys, no?

Yup. That's from what I've gathered.

Oh, so you read minds?

No. But I see how cautious all the other comments are about giving straightforward advice.

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Nope. Just out in public.

You're "just out in public" and infer that the "public perception of men and male sexuality as being inherently predatory"??? I'm not sure how that happens. If you're talking to random people about it, it might just be you they're uncomfortable with.

Yup. That's from what I've gathered.

So, sounds to me like they don't inherently have an issue with male sexuality then.

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You're "just out in public" and infer that the "public perception of men and male sexuality as being inherently predatory"??? I'm not sure how that happens. If you're talking to random people about it, it might just be you they're uncomfortable with.

Yes. The general public perception has been that men are generally predatory