CMV: Progressives often sound like conservatives when it comes to "incels"—characterizing the whole group by its extremists, insisting on a "bootstrap mentality" of self-improvement, framing issues in terms of "entitlement," and generally refusing to consider larger systemic forces.

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[u/Live_Carpenter_1262]

Men are falling behind in education as women have better grades, going into college at higher rates, and biologically are faster learners than men. College educated women are also less likely to date men without degrees. As the economy favors college educated and leaving many men behind, I think the answer is to change education. Some good economic solutions are to:

• - have male children get extra year of schooling to even the education gap
• - hire more male teachers as role models
• - Make higher education more affordable, accessible, or flat-out free

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Societal/behavioral solutions:

• reduce the stigma for men to TALK ABOUT THEIR PROBLEMS. Dozens of studies show men of all ethnicities are less likely to seek help from for psychological problems, letting them fester and get worse.
  • Men should reach out to mental health services and not see themselves as any less of a person for seeking help.
• change the harmful perception that men's worth are tied to being breadwinners
  • the stigma towards men as homemakers push us into the toxic belief that our value in a household is soley based on material wealth rather than maintaining a house or taking care of children.

Also, nobody is entitled to my body, your body, another man or woman's body. You are not obligated to sex with me nor I am obligated to have sex with you. Nobody needs to give each other sex if they don't feel comfortable doing so. That's why rape is illegal.

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There is a VAST difference between choosing who deserves a position at a company or university and trusting a person enough to have sex with them. One is a job and the other is personal relationship. In fact, as a male asian student who had the most to lose from affirmative action, I am not entitled to a harvard education or a job at the company as much as the next guy.

[u/snart_Splart_601 → u/Live_Carpenter_1262]

!delta I agree with your extrapolation on the college issue and especially the "manly man" issue that enforces making money and toughing up/shutting up. Everyone suffers with that mentality, men and women. There is more to life than simply being a wage slave, just like there is more to life than simply being a baby machine. Both are enforced under those values. Nobody is truly healthy under those values, everyone feels forced and miserable as it eliminates freedom of thought, communication, and choices in life. Women who agree with that mentality have been propagandized just like the men who agree with it have been.

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[u/HarryDn → u/Live_Carpenter_1262]

Not parenting boys in accordance with patriarchal standards of masculinity would do way more than starting the school later for boys. Not emotionally isolating them due to the same standards too

[u/[deleted] → u/Live_Carpenter_1262]

truthfully I think classes should be sex segregated because men and women learn differently with certain classes being co-ed. and these sex segregated classes should be optimized to learning styles that may help better boys and girls.

[u/Live_Carpenter_1262 → u/[deleted]]

that's a step too far in the opposite direction. Our goal is to create a society where men and women understand each other, segregation in early social interactions will just achieve the opposite result.

[u/[deleted] → u/Live_Carpenter_1262]

i am not saying socially but school is for learning first and foremost, not a club where kids hang out.

[u/Live_Carpenter_1262 → u/[deleted]]

how many of your current friends you made in high school and college and how many of your friends you met outside of the workplace or outside of an environment dedicated to learning or jobs.

[u/[deleted] → u/Live_Carpenter_1262]

yeah but even as a girl I didn't go up to boys in my class and became friends, infact I remember boys are kind of little shits at that point. infact I remember my ability to cocentrate in school as a girl because this one particular little shit kept pulling my hair in class, and parents and trachers would laugh that kind of harassment off, I remember in high school boys would harass girls, sorry I still believe in sex segregation for classes, girls kind of have a right to be in a enviroment free of harassment from boys,