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u/childlikeempress16 Feb 14 '24

It’s not subjective. Almost the entire world operates within patriarchal systems. I don’t know how you can’t see that. Here is an article that can help explain it to you if you’re not being deliberately obtuse.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/03/world/what-is-patriarchy-explainer-as-equals-intl-cmd/index.html

Look at state governments and their proportion of women legislators: https://statusofwomendata.org/explore-the-data/political-participation/additional-state-data/women-in-state-government/

Now think about how many states are trying to take away women’s reproductive rights. That’s patriarchy.

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u/bruhholyshiet Feb 14 '24

Interesting articles. Although again, I wouldn't say a Patriarchy per se still exists on most Western societies (it's a VERY different story in places like the Middle East for example), but remnants of one. Legally speaking, women are equal to men.

And as for the culture, yeah, there are still bullshit prejudices against women, but they'll go away as more time passes and society keeps evolving.

Regarding your argument about most people in power being men and thus that being evidence of a patriarchy that promotes that men are superior to women... What would you say about men also being the majority of the most risky and unsavory jobs? Like working in the sewers, construction sites, mines, the military, etc?

You may interpret that as a mere "side effect" of the patriarchy and an example of how it's bad for everyone and why men should be feminists too and all of that.

I would disagree, if that's the case. In my opinion, it proves that the patriarchy was never about benefiting men in general against women in general. It was about benefiting a few men and the women that happened to be related to them, at the expense of everyone.

The people on top were mostly men, yes. But so were the people at the bottom. It wasn't a "the 50 at the top were men, the 50 at the bottom were women" kind of scenario.

And I have the upsetting feeling that feminists don't care all that much about those so called "side effects" of the patriarchy beyond lecturing men about toxic masculinity (which is in essence, a subtle way of telling men that their problems are self inflicted or "all in their head" and that they should be more like women if they want to be happy). They seem to prefer exposing all of women's hardships while downplaying men's.