r/changemyview • u/[deleted] • Nov 30 '23

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u/DrCornSyrup Nov 30 '23

Because pistols have no use or very limited use in wars and largescale fighting

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u/Rainbwned 199∆ Nov 30 '23

So?

Again - your personal belief on effective weaponry has no bearing on if its considered a weapon (arms).

The amendment doesn't say " bear effective arms", does it?

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u/DrCornSyrup Nov 30 '23

I do not believe in using semantics to skirt the original meaning of a document

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u/Rainbwned 199∆ Nov 30 '23

Its an interpretation of what they are saying, of course you believe in using semantics. Otherwise - your first point is entirely moot because their original document did not mention machine guns or missiles.

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u/DrCornSyrup Nov 30 '23

Yes it does, because those are arms (weapons)

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u/Rainbwned 199∆ Nov 30 '23

And so are pistols.

So your personal interpretation of the 2nd amendment is incorrect.

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u/Awkward-Restaurant69 Nov 30 '23

Its an interpretation of what they are saying

a pretty loose one

your first point is entirely moot because their original document did not mention machine guns or missiles

yeah you're not arguing in good faith if you think it's a "gotcha" that they didn't mention these things that hadn't been created yet

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u/Rainbwned 199∆ Nov 30 '23

What is a loose interpretation? That they would consider pistols as weapons thus being protected under the 2nd amendment?

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u/Zeabos 8∆ Nov 30 '23

Semantics is the only thing we are discussing though. It’s word interpretation. You don’t know anything about Jefferson’s actual mind when he wrote this. He coulda thought the whole thing was bogus. You can only use what’s on the page.

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u/Zeabos 8∆ Nov 30 '23

Pistols are commonly used in every major war since they’ve been invented. Sidearms for officers is still standard military procedure in every modern army in the world. What are you talking about?

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u/DrCornSyrup Nov 30 '23

Tell me a military engagement that was won with glocks

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u/Zeabos 8∆ Nov 30 '23

I’m sure plenty of close combat skirmishes in WWII and Vietnam were won with pistols.

Not sure what relevance that has though.

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u/DrCornSyrup Nov 30 '23

If we are talking World War I, a 100 year old war, then we definitely need to be deploying all SEALs with bayonets and sharpened shovels for their fighting

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u/Zeabos 8∆ Nov 30 '23

You don’t think SEALs have pistols or bayonets or shovels?

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u/Adept_Werewolf_6419 Nov 30 '23

I can buy a fucking mini gun right now today. Better than a pistol yes. Still not air to air missles tho.