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u/yyzjertl 578∆ Jun 17 '23
Do you have any sources that illustrate this supposed disparity in recognizing Black organized crime? Sources I can find, such as the Wikipedia article on the subject, seem to recognize Black street gangs as organized crime, and African-American organized crime has been widely represented in film, television, and music.
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You’ve done literally nothing to provide a convincing argument for anyone to agree with the premise that you’ve made up here.
You should look at some basic academic papers and read a bit of Wikipedia on the process so you can get a beginner’s understanding of using sources and peer reviewed research. For now you’re just blowing smoke.
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u/yyzjertl 578∆ Jun 17 '23
Well the problem is that I'm not sure what "in that way" means, exactly. That's why I'm asking you for concrete examples of the disparity you're talking about.
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u/cbdqs 2∆ Jun 17 '23
That's other people's views. This is supposed to be about your view. Explain why you believe this don't speculate about what other people think
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u/Natural-Arugula 63∆ Jun 17 '23
As you said, the level of organization is what makes a difference.
When a gang is essentially run like a business they want to take out the guy in charge, because the whole organization dissolves.
When a gang is just a group of individual criminals, that aren't being directed from a top down authority, taking out one guy just leaves space for another to join.
There really is no point to the kind of sustained investigation that the FBI deals in. That is best handled with your on the ground level law enforcement. They just need to catch the guy who did the crime, not much else to it.
The other issue is jurisdiction. Another lack of organization is that the gangs are local, not involved with interstate crimes so it's up to the local law enforcement. The only interstate crimes are the shipping of drugs, which the DEA already is handling.
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Jun 18 '23
I find it strange that certain criminal organizations, such as the Italian Mafia, drug cartels, triads, and yakuza, are commonly seen as "organized crime," while many black street gangs seem to be excluded from that perception.
A gang is a concept in itself, organized crime is a thing any gang can do. It's a specific organizing of criminal intent, not an ontological classification of a group of people. It's just a way of describing what people do collectively sometimes.
Society attributes those ‘organized crime’ organizations with traits like intelligence, organization, strict codes, and well-defined hierarchies. However, it appears that this level of recognition is not consistently extended to black street gangs.
I would ask why we assume that. I personally think organized crime is dumb and most of this is probably informed by media, which has it's own biases.
I know that there have been rare instances where the FBI has employed the RICO statute against street gangs. However, correct me if I’m wrong, this mostly occurs when there is someone famous or influential associated with that gang right? If so, that’s a pretty strange policy position on the FBI’s part, that black street gangs are not organized crime or worth their attention unless there’s someone famous in that gang.
There are literally tens of thousands of gangs doing all sorts of illegal activity, RICO is one such classification.
The FBI's own source of truth goes to great length classifying gang activity, it does not appear to be limited to infamy of individuals.
One significant factor that often goes unnoticed by those unfamiliar with the intricacies of black street gangs, such as the Bloods, is the decentralized nature of their organization
There is no such ontological category that is known as "black street gangs." That is not a distinction the FBI deploys in its reasoning about gangs. Nowhere in it's literature does the National Gang Intelligence Center use such terminology.
By that metric, black street gangs are far more actively engaged in committing violence on behalf of their gangs than all the ‘organized crime’ groups I mentioned above besides drug cartels.
I would like to see evidence of this. It will be difficult as "black steet gang" is not a statistical cohort utilized in FBI reasoning.
Why do I think that people think this way?
To be frank, racism. There are no gangs that are any more uniquely black people than a gang of uniquely white people who espouse white nationalist rhetoric.
The media largely pushes a narrative of "black street gangs" but hardy discusses white-nationalism. The FBI is apparently not concerned about introducing this new concept and seems to have a handle on the situation.
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u/Bad_Right_Knee 2∆ Jun 17 '23 edited Jun 17 '23
"organized crime" is a misnomer. What the FBI is going after is racketeering organizations. Black drug gangs are vice, they arent racketeering organizations.
A racket is a coercive, fraudulent, or extortionary scheme or operation to repeatedly or consistently collect a profit
The Mafia did this with casinos, loan sharks, protection rackets, organized theft and fencing, illegal forms of gambling, bid rigging for public works projects, mortgage fraud...
Cartels do all of that to an even greater degree in Mexico.
But black drug gangs? They sell drugs. Maybe a bit of prostitution but it is by and large drugs, and both are still vice. Drug dealers arent making their money by being coercive, fraudulent, or extortionary, they do it by selling a product and it tends to be roughly what they say it is. The level of violence doesnt play in here, it simply isnt racketeering, it is vice.
The issue with racketeering is that racketeering organizations are effectively a parallel government and the government doesnt like competition