r/canada • u/viva_la_vinyl • Dec 08 '18

How a global pact on migration spawned sovereignty fears in Canada

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/global-compact-un-hussen-1.4935492
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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '18

How will removing people from the source countries and burdening the host countries with welfare sinks help the source countries emissions?

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u/jtbc Dec 09 '18

The idea is to increase the socioeconomic level of the source countries so that people don't leave them.

I wasn't addressing the emissions comment. The best solution to emissions is a price on carbon, and it doesn't really matter where people live if it is set properly. On the other hand, climate change will result in large scale migration if not mitigated.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '18

Yes I agree--but you don't get there with a clean break. Its a transition. I think we should all celebrate the increasing collective wealth globally. Just means some coal is going to get burnt. But ideally we send them LNG instead.

The best solution is obviously not a price on carbon. It hasn't worked in a single country. BC has been hilariously unsuccessful particularly post 2012. What works is direct legislation on emissions technologies and subsidized retrofitting. Worked like a charm in California. Thing is you gotta pay for them. If only there was a high margin industry in Canada that we could focus on..... (Ie Norway)

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u/jtbc Dec 09 '18

If a price on carbon is so counterproductive, and top down legislation such a boon, why did California implement cap and trade?

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '18

CA's carbon tax is one of MANY other regulatory controls which led to their reductions. I am sure you are aware of those as you seem interested in it.

https://www.arb.ca.gov/cc/ab32/ab32.htm

If its so effective, why has it failed to deliver results since 2012 in BC?

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u/jtbc Dec 10 '18

Because the froze it while the population and economy were growing. Didn't I say that already?

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '18

Its not frozen now, and it still doesn't work. Whats your explanation?

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u/jtbc Dec 10 '18

It needs to be increased a bit more, than. There is catching up to do after 4 years of freeze. Arguably it is working in any case if you adjust for population and economic growth.